Bayushi Senshi
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Oct 7, 2011 13:48:40 GMT -5
yeah, you're right.... hey Koichi? What are you doing?
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Oct 7, 2011 14:05:02 GMT -5
I think that now for the Ox the best option is to remain neutral. If they declare for Toturi they would be surrounded by enemies (Dragon and Phoenix declared for Hantei). For any Minor Clan fighting with any Great Clan without support is sure defeat and total desctruction.
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Bayushi Hisa
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Oct 7, 2011 14:14:48 GMT -5
Well, i am surprised Jay did not put ox automatically in with the toturi considering by 1164 standards, Morito is still very much alive and very much still Master Steel and will be for another 6 years yet until he's scheduled to die. The kolat have a vested interest in keeping the Hantei off of the throne. What could be more dangerous to their philosophy than for the Hantei to regain the throne, they only spent how long trying to get them off? Ox interests should want the toturi to rule. Having a hantei on the throne would be a slap in the face, and I think probably would be considered a high threat to Morito. Many interesting possibilities Hantei Naseru isnt a true Hantei though. He was adopted by Hantei, not born to him. With both Naseru and Kaneka being Toturi's sons, I would think that the Ox daimyo and champion (as well as any other Kolats) would stay neutral in the conflict, since regardless of who wins it is still a son of Toturi sitting on the throne. |
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Post by Morito Asuka on Oct 7, 2011 16:52:42 GMT -5
well, it's a moot point since the clan champion already declared, but it puts us in a pretty tenuous position doesn't it? As for the emperor, Rokugan names are pretty powerful stuff. Changing a name is a little death. A person doesn't simply change a name on paper, the whole person changes in the celestial order, maybe not overtly the way a person seems to be in ningen-do, but definately in how it matters to the heavens. That's my understanding of the situation. He may have come out of a Toturi womb but he is Hantei now, with all of the privileges and associations that name brings to the table.
Yeah, we are between the rock and a fiery place, but the majority of Ox are part of a vast and secret network, and they have surveillance and secret allies. Maybe no minor clan has survived before now, but it might if it comes to that, and wouldn't it tickle the kolat pink to have the Ox survive against the kami backed major clans? WE might have allies in the Mantis, if only they weren't so very far away. . .
That's all in the future though. For now, Lord morito says in the FB game "My lands shall be free of war until such time as I choose otherwise." I wonder when that "otherwise" will come
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Suzume Satoru
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Post by Suzume Satoru on Oct 7, 2011 17:50:01 GMT -5
Suzume I think should be/stay neutral. "Yes, very large Crab army, please pass on by and ignore us. Thank you!"
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Post by Morito Asuka on Oct 8, 2011 14:23:26 GMT -5
Ok, I got why we have to be neutral, and it's important. 1158 was a busy year between toturi I dying and toturi II acending and abdicating in the same year. Is Toturi III is the one that granted the Ox clan status? If so, and in this iteration, he took the name Hantei XXX, so. . .Hantei XXX is the name that granted us status, and it would be a very large mistake to fight against him at this time. Treacherous, really. Y So, Morito accepts clan status from the Hantei, but he's master steel (not that anyone other than his followers know that) so he has an interest in undermining the Hantei name somehow, without reveling himself as a kolat or a traitor. It would be inadvisable to piss off the phoenix and the dragon also. Morito would not want attention called to his lands for reasons obvious to him and his kolat followers, but not apparently to the rest of the empire. Meanwhile the kolat surveillance through the artifact in the hidden temple is always watching the rebellion unfold. Fun times
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Oct 8, 2011 16:15:23 GMT -5
(...) he took the name Hantei XXX... Now, now Asuka-san, saying Hantei XXX becomes awfully dangerous, especially with all the people misspelling his name as "Hentai"... Hentai XXX, that would surely be a memorable Emperor for an oriental themed setting, LOL. EDIT: And even without misspelling, he still sounds like a pimp  EDIT2: In answer to the next reply (yes, I can see the future), Hantei XL makes him sound like a DJ (or a synthetic drug). If I ever organize a rave, I'll make sure to give him a call (or if I ever become a DJ, I'll be taking that stage name) Personally, I prefer Hantei the 40th or Toturi the 3rd (although this one sounds very funny). The roman numerals make it look weird, this being an oriental setting an all. But, then again, if Naseru can use a crown made of golden laurels... well, I guess anything is possible  |
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Post by Morito Asuka on Oct 8, 2011 22:31:10 GMT -5
Right. I got the numerals wrong. He's Hantei XL. Doesn't make him sound any less like a pimp huh.
Anyway. I was looking over some things, the emperor that granted the clan status to the Ox would have to have been either one of the last things Toturi I did, or one of the ONly official things that Toturi II did before she abdicated, as Hantei XL wouldn't have been emperor until 1160, unless there's a deeper point of convergence . Without that, It's more of a major point for getting the Toturi back on the throne, not to mention, in addition to the fact that they REALLY hate the Hantei line. I was confused for a bit. Hantei XL has maintained the clan status though, and it's still very new. probably too new to want to go pissing off the empire, thought they might REALLY want to join in.
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Yasuki Chad
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Oct 8, 2011 23:30:22 GMT -5
Okay, sorry, but Asuka I have to say. Toturi II did not Abdicate, SHE DIED. Fighting Daigotsu and killing him she was also slain. She was Posthumously crowned Toturi II by Nesaru (Who bacame Toturi III in Cannon, Hantei the 40th here). The Ox clan was recognized in 1145 by Toturi I.
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Post by Morito Asuka on Oct 8, 2011 23:39:50 GMT -5
He was recognized by Toturi I in 1145, which validated the lands Morito's ronin band occupied as belonging to Morito but the Ox status as an official minor clan was not granted until 1158
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Yasuki Chad
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Oct 8, 2011 23:59:14 GMT -5
Toturi I was murdered in 1158 and a new emperor was not chosen until 1160. It is likely that Toturi I recognized the Ox shortly before his death as the winds would not have had the authourity to do so.
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Yasuki Chad
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Oct 9, 2011 0:02:42 GMT -5
To further clarify, Tsudao proclaimed herself empress in late 1159. The other winds announced themselves as emperors shortly afterward.
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