Mirumoto Machu
Dragon Clan
Advantage: Different school Shiba bushi. Dissadvantage: Missing limb
Posts: 299
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Jul 27, 2011 17:24:28 GMT -5
Fu-Leng/Daigotsu/Sprinkles.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jul 27, 2011 23:52:51 GMT -5
I'm honestly not sure I agree with you there, Aroru-san. It's not a question of "what's the worst that could happen". It's a question of what actionable intelligence we/they have to work with. It's pretty telling to me that the cost for the job to keep them on the Wall is Rumor as opposed to, say, Scouting Reports.
It's not as if the Crab don't have a constant presence in the Shadowlands, scouting for coming threats. Hiruma forces range out into the tainted wastes all the time. If there's been any sign of a larger-than-normal force mobilizing out there, they haven't shared that news with anyone I know. The only thing unusual that's been spotted out there of late has been the Black Tower, and not only is that not exactly mobile, indications point to it being a sanctum for maho-tsukai rather than a rallying point for an oni army.
Could there be something building out there, just out of sight and waiting for us to let down our guard? Perhaps, but it's not as if the Wall is going to be left completely undefended. Undermanned, perhaps, but enough to hold until whatever forces they've dispatched against Hachi or the Crane have been recalled. Caution and prudence are one thing. But as samurai we mustn't let fear drive our decisions, not without something to back it up.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jul 28, 2011 0:30:26 GMT -5
I'm with you on that Akodo-san. The Crab at the wall throws away a large portion of our army. Focusing our attack on the Crane hits the most players. No one can survive an attack on two fronts, and as I imagine they will rush to defend the capitol, while those of us try our best to blackmail the EC into inaction, we cut them twice. There will be few Crane defending their homes and the psychological effect of returning home to burning estates, ruining their source of wealth, is powerful.
If one thinks in the form of tactics, they have few options if we attack the capitol. They HAVE to send men to Toshi Rando. Without their armies to defend their lands, the Crab can pretty much waltz in, or they divide the armies and run with half power on each side, getting crushed. Let them have the Yatsuki estate. When we have Kyuuden Doji, it will seem a fair trade.
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Post by sprinkles on Jul 28, 2011 1:06:10 GMT -5
I agree attack the Crane and leave the Wall!
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jul 28, 2011 1:20:10 GMT -5
*reads* interesting... very interesting.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jul 28, 2011 11:03:32 GMT -5
...Ahhh yes, those spider clan members have no way of sneaking and hiding out in the shadowlands. I bet they don't even have an entire family dedicated to the way of stealth. Let the crab abandon their ancestral duty so that you can win a rebellion in the empire. Nothing bad can come from that at all. Besides, even though armies take forever to march across Rokugan, I'm sure if a threat did appear the crab would all instantly teleport back to the wall. That's just how it works right?
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Post by Shoju on Jul 28, 2011 11:08:37 GMT -5
If I were you, I wouldn't worry about the Spider Attacking the wall. I have no interest in a bunch of musty old run down buildings filled with big burly stinky men.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jul 28, 2011 11:46:40 GMT -5
What do you think we'll keep at the wall if the Crab go fight, Shosuro-san? A 12 year old with an invention fetish? The Crab go to war all the time, it's not like they'll leave a picket defending the wall. On the other hand, having Shoju fall victim to those same zany hijinks sounds like a lark.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 28, 2011 12:16:12 GMT -5
I promise, unless the crab come to my side of the wall lookin' for some, we have no interest in attacking the wall right now.
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Post by tadakasan on Jul 28, 2011 12:18:09 GMT -5
Well, I know the Wall was still heavily protected during both Yasuki Wars and the war between the Crab and Scorpion more recently (in the CCG continuum). It is relative of course, so I suppose there is a choice. It does help having a Clan that's almost entirely militarized though, even the peasantry.
As far as the risk, I have to agree with Shoju surprisingly or not; The Spider really don't have anything to gain taking the Wall or attacking it; If I were a group of samurai looking to be accepted by the Empire in order to corrupt it from within, I think acting like the Shadowlands Horde of old would be the very last thing on my agenda. Really the worry I would see would be some Oni lord sitting out there in the shadows watching all this. Which would be hilarious and neat at the same time.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 28, 2011 12:20:55 GMT -5
See! The Tsi sees the sea of possibilities that I see!
EDIT:
ON a Serious and completely OOC note, That is what I've been hinting at.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jul 28, 2011 17:28:31 GMT -5
Really, Aroru-san, you're over-reacting. Stealth or not, you cannot hide an entire army. A small force, perhaps, but the wall isn't being abandoned. Like Hirotomo-san and Karone-san have both said, the Crab have gone to war against men before. They're fully capable of doing so while simultaneously defending the wall. Any Shadowlands army small enough to have escaped notice is too small to pose a threat to Rokugan, even with reduced manpower on the wall. Any army big enough to take advantage of that reduced manpower and threaten the Empire is too deep in the Shadowlands to get here before the wall can be reinforced.
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Jul 28, 2011 18:13:24 GMT -5
As we sit here and argue there are only good things that can come from a reduced for on the wall from a kaneka supporter standpoint. Either we hit the crane with a crab army and reduce their numbers there, or we hit the crane and the spider/shadowlands come up forcing both parties to gain the same purpose and set aside killing each other for awhile, it might even give us a chance to kill Hantei or the hantei supporters a chance to kill toturi. Either way itll make things interesting
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jul 29, 2011 0:54:17 GMT -5
...Very well then, may you live in interesting times.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jul 29, 2011 2:51:42 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure we already do.
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