8/16/2011: Out at sea

[Hida Setsuro]

Aug 17, 2011 1:31:05 GMT -5 Daidoji Fitsu said:

If not just numbers, then I hope at some point Battle skill has relevance. I also hope it balances out that rebel forces don't get more glory and honor for their actions with less requirements.

Leaving one skill to decide it all when one guy (no offense, Fitsu) has personally dumped 200+ points into a stat he gets double in so that he can basically be the best and no one can beat him.. well that's absolutely ridiculous. I hope to god there's no battle skill in this competition, despite the fact that many lion and crab are high in the battle charts as well. It just wouldn't be fair at all.

[Bayushi Hiryu]

I believe that deciding anything based on one single skill, or even a combination of skills, wouldn't be fair indeed. In my view the outcome of the conflict should depend on:
- tasks based on number of clicks, potentially with complex requirements (eg 100+ in a skill, some combination of hard-to-find items)
- strategic decisions taken before these "end tasks", so that the wrong choices lead to more difficult requirements and/or dead ends
- and what Jay has in mind as regards the storyline (as long as we don't end up with Kaneka and Naseru going into a quest for enlightenment ;-))

By the way, I really wonder what Sezaru is currently doing... Should he not also have a role to play in all this (and not only as the Emperor's pet inquisitor as in the official storyline)?

[Utaku Kasumi]

Setsuro... may it be a battle then *smirks* Mine is also pretty decent... And I will never side with Lions! HMPF!

[Bayushi Hiromitsu]

I think in the end, will be about collecting items, spending followers, farming, farming and more farming. (not rice, if you know what I mean)

(Hi guys!! IM BACK!! ^_^)

[Kakita Hitoshi]

Aug 18, 2011 14:46:35 GMT -5 Bayushi Hiryu said:

In my view the outcome of the conflict should depend on:
- tasks based on number of clicks, potentially with complex requirements (eg 100+ in a skill, some combination of hard-to-find items)

Whilst I appreciate that high level characters want to display their mastery, I hope they leave some stuff for us newer people to do as well! I can't do some of the war missions as it is

[Tamori Manji]

I did manage to do some jobs but my resources quickly ended and I had to farm some more. Now those resources ended too and it will take a lot of time before I can farm new resources, like 50 scouting reports or nearly 100 light infantry, to complete those actions again. I guess there's nothing to be done about it. In future conflicts I'll probably have more Fate and more available resources, being able to participate more effectively.

[Shoju]

Let me give the new people some advice.

Unless Jay deviates from the ideas of Winter Court and Mountain Watch Keep, these jobs are going to be around for about 1-2 months. If you aren't rolling in the fate and items, I would highly recommend taking each job to either first or second mastery, and not going the full third step. yet

The fate / resource to reward ratio is low going from 2nd mastery to third. Instead, go through the empire, gain favors and mons, and levy more troops. Yes, I know you want your side to win the war, and by doing what I'm suggesting you will actually end up contributing more.

The fastest way to more fate -> mass completion on jobs. At level 186, there are still some jobs that I don't have at max mastery simply due to other jobs being better fate to token ratio.

By taking the war actions to second level mastery (30 clicks) and then moving on to other jobs that you haven't reached 2nd level mastery on, you will be gaining ring tokens faster, which means more fate, which means, more actions, which means faster leveling, which means more time spent on the war effort.

It seems weird, I know. It is completely within the realm of possibility to have 200 fate before you reach level 100. 250 fate is probably feasible by 140, though I think most of us hit it around 150.

If you 'game' your masteries a little, you can actually put a serious amount of cushion into your fate score.

[Mirumoto Shigekazu]

200 Fate is available before 100 Level without any planning (with it - you can achieve it before 70). 250 Fate is harder to get due to lesser numbers of low-fate missions (especially if you avoid Taint and Infamy), but you can still get it around 150-160 Level (maybe faster if you plan carefully and stick to it, but I have no data on it).

I have experienced no lowering of chance of gaining drops after jade mastery, but if you speak of tokens, you are absolutely right. But still there are some missions that require more Fate for gold mastery than others for full emerald (especially missions from Reihado Shinsei).

[Tamori Manji]

I'm doing something more or less along the lines of what Shoju-san and Shigekazu-san just said. So far, I'm at lvl 48 with 133 Fate. I could have more, I think, but I got adamant on getting Focus lately (can't miss the opportunity to behead a Spider can I?) and the jobs that give the items required to do the jobs that drop it, consume a lot of Fate. I've also lost one Focus trying to duel the Lion patrol leader during the Imperial Ambassador quest, which had Iaijutsu 50 as a req. I went in with 58 thinking it would be ok and, to my dismay, I had only 60% of chance of success. Living and learning I guess.

I still don't really know how these percentages work. For the lower level missions, 5 points over the requirement is fine, but for some of the higher level ones, 10 points over is not nearly enough. When I can I follow the overkill route and do jobs for which I have 15 or 20 points over the requirement, especially when they ask for rare consumables, just to be on the safe side.

[Mirumoto Shigekazu]

I have heard that 10 points over requirement is enough to be sure and, as for now, it worked for me.

[Shosuro Aroru]

if 58 only had a 60% chance then I doubt 60 iaijutsu is 100%. Probably want at least 65 then.

[Mirumoto Shigekazu]

This is not working this way. I remember times when I had 98% chance of success and failed three times in a row. Really, for couple of months 10 points of advantage worked fine for me and some other people too.

[Kakita Hiroshi]

200 fate by level 100 ?! Wow... I'm past level 100 and nowhere near 200 fate .

[Shoju]

I was level 98 when i hit 200 fate. The goal is to keep doing jobs that you aren't max mastered on. sometimes, that means doing only the first or second mastery and moving on so that you can come back and do fate intensive grinds later.

[Toku Hirotomo]

I did not bother with fate gathering much. I'm 155 with only 214, but I don't usually do actions for the sake of tokens, I do it for the drops. I've done many actions to past 3rd mastery because i like the drops. I've visited the Kaiu smithy more times than I can count due to it being one of the best places for heavy armor, which in turn helps me get heavy infantry. Once you get around 200 fate, you can master almost any thing for the first time as long as you have the costs. I've never cared about having a very high fate, but to each their own.