Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Sept 29, 2011 12:50:06 GMT -5
I have a feeling we're going to get to the other side and discover this whole war has been a Kolat plot to bring down the Celestial Order on Ningen-do. Stabs Shodai on the back. Inquisitive little Phoenix revealing our plans.
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Daidoji Fitsu
Crane Clan
A prepared Daidoji is an implacable foe on the field of battle. Fitsu is always prepared.
Posts: 311
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Post by Daidoji Fitsu on Sept 29, 2011 16:28:03 GMT -5
Shodai, you would have great points if this were a battle where resources were distributed by clan, and tactics mattered in a meaningful way, or if all battle actions were clan dependent. Since none of this is true, we can only hope the other battles are more balanced.
A good part of the reason Permission City got more clicks than Toshi Ranbo is that it'a costs were far more affordable, while every Hanteist action in tr had a rarer component. Since many of these rarer components could be obtained via the more affordable actions in pc the results become considerably lopsided. Then you factor in that the units in highest demand could be given as gifts by most of the toturist clans, and not by the hanteist ones, the imbalances are further exaggerated.
The fact that it was even close proves that these obstacles were not insurmountable, but it was never even close to a fair fight.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Sept 29, 2011 17:48:10 GMT -5
True enough, Fitsu-san... True enough.
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Bayushi Haruka
Scorpion Clan
OOC Cleanup Crew
Samurai? Battle Maiden? Cavalry? Paragon of Courage? Friend of the Lion
Posts: 1,054
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Post by Bayushi Haruka on Sept 29, 2011 20:28:22 GMT -5
Shodai, you would have great points if this were a battle where resources were distributed by clan, and tactics mattered in a meaningful way, or if all battle actions were clan dependent. Since none of this is true, we can only hope the other battles are more balanced. A good part of the reason Permission City got more clicks than Toshi Ranbo is that it'a costs were far more affordable, while every Hanteist action in tr had a rarer component. Since many of these rarer components could be obtained via the more affordable actions in pc the results become considerably lopsided. Then you factor in that the units in highest demand could be given as gifts by most of the toturist clans, and not by the hanteist ones, the imbalances are further exaggerated. The fact that it was even close proves that these obstacles were not insurmountable, but it was never even close to a fair fight. But isn't it also true that not all battles are so straightforward? Would you prefer it if the actions were all mirrors of one another in cost like the voting system? My personal opinion is that I don't know of situations where war wasn't costly. And admittedly the margin was pretty slim for the battle of Toshi Ranbo, which to me suggests that cost wasn't nearly as much of a problem as it sounds. It was merely clicks, to which I say both sides put forth an amazing effort without a doubt. As for the gifting thought, Toturi supporting clans (even though by the numbers there's clearly supporter deviants in almost every clan, and that's fine) and Hantei supporting clans could still send gifts to each other if they so wished, as the system is not biased against who the player supports. I don't really want to see actions mirroring each other, and I could have sworn on my honor that I saw quite a few that more or less had the same item/fate/koku costs in either city at a given time. The only slight differences of course cater to the clan that is performing the defending/attacking role in that area. But I can understand where you are coming from, definitely. I can't wait to get to rp in Toshi Ranbo with the Toturi supporters though. I hope you'll find our actions and intentions honorable. I mean it's not like any samurai in their right mind is going to target Hantei.. ^^
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Post by sprinkles on Sept 29, 2011 21:04:38 GMT -5
I could not be happier! So many dead bodies everywhere. AND this is only the beginning. Keep up the good work everyone! The Spider salutes you.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Sept 29, 2011 21:19:33 GMT -5
We didn't had any dead body within Toshi Ranbo until... last night? (well, it was night here when Jay updated the game )
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Sept 29, 2011 22:26:39 GMT -5
Guys i understand that as hantei supporters you're all upset about the loss of Toshi Ranbo. My major pause before this entire thing began was what was going to happen when player fought player and one side lost. Someone's going to lose. Yes we can all bitch and moan but honestly we have to take it on faith that Jay is trying to make this game as fair as possible for everyone. Anyone totrui-ist could bitch that there were more actions favoring the imperials at permission city or that the almost 2-1 margin showed how unfair that action really was. At the end of the day you guys are still in the fight! Please I know there are going to be set backs on both sides and when it comes to us (as it did at permission city) I'll do my best not to whine about the unfairness of the battle or how we chose the wrong thing to do (notice i say try i do get a little carried away at times) but for now, what has happened has happened, if you dont trust jay to be a fair moderator and storyteller then what are you doing here? The lion have a pretty horrid position im not gonna lie trapped between the crane the scorpion the phoenix and the dragon. The lion weighed their options and chose the one we felt was best. Im sure the crane did the same. Im sorry it didn't work out, maybe next time guys, but please please please dont be sore losers about it. Its all of our game, it is what we make of it. Just my two cents
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Sept 29, 2011 22:28:28 GMT -5
The above post btw does not apply to all crane or hanteists. It can also be taken in the reverse, Toturi-ists dont be douche bags about taking TR
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Post by Doji Kenna on Sept 29, 2011 22:45:53 GMT -5
Some very interesting information on the clicking game here, it's always nice to see the data.
Regarding the end of (this) combat for Permission City and Toshi Ranbo I feel it's worth stressing the point, as has been made, that the geography of the war is certainly not favouring the Lion. The capital may have fallen, but we all still have everything to play for in the war.
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Post by sprinkles on Sept 29, 2011 22:50:01 GMT -5
(ooc really) I like how everyone is fighting for their lands except the minor clans. Nobody wants to take them over regardless of their allegiance.
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Post by The Blue Ronin on Sept 29, 2011 23:07:31 GMT -5
That'll be changing soon Sprinkles, at least with the Monkey.
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Post by sprinkles on Sept 29, 2011 23:12:44 GMT -5
Excellant! I owe Kenpachi! I'll take his lands and burn them to the ground the scatter the ashes at Hantei's feet.
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Sept 30, 2011 0:46:37 GMT -5
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Post by Akodo Tsanuri on Sept 30, 2011 0:55:22 GMT -5
why this time?! we were good. really. no fighting. kyyaaa
potwór...
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Daidoji Fitsu
Crane Clan
A prepared Daidoji is an implacable foe on the field of battle. Fitsu is always prepared.
Posts: 311
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Post by Daidoji Fitsu on Sept 30, 2011 1:09:57 GMT -5
Trusting Jay to be fair and impartial is not the same as saying he is above criticism. The difference is both Lion and Crane chose Toshi Ranbo as their objective, while Permission City should have been as defenseless as Lonely Shore. I don't call for mirror actions, but a little closer parity along with clan choices would be well received. As would taking into account a general's leadership, provided that it could only be applied to one conflict at a time.
I love this game Jay has made, I'm not knocking it. I'm just providing what I feel is constructive criticism. I want the game to be as good and fair as it can be.
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