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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Nov 4, 2011 7:38:54 GMT -5
No one said that fighting way in would be easy
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Nov 4, 2011 10:07:54 GMT -5
Is "Fight your way into the Red Fox Inn" really only supposed to give 4% per click? That's kinda harsh for a 12 fate action, especially when it's the only honorable option available. In the actual scenario, if the players decided to fight the Red Foxes the outcome was pretty much a boxed-text demise for the PCs, simply because there were so many Red Foxes at the inn (if I recall - it's been a couple of years since I ran a table of it), so I think the difficulty in mastering the job reflects that. "Writ of Justice" was one of the scenarios which emphasized that sometimes a magistrate MUST be willing to negotiate even with criminals to keep the peace (I know when I played it, my PC, Ikoma Seiji, had a scheme to eliminate both yakuza groups, but the rest of the table overruled it on the basis of social harmony), even if that meant doing the less strictly honorable thing.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Nov 4, 2011 21:00:51 GMT -5
If so, it didn't really translate over that well. The first job wasn't an option for me at all, as 56 koku is a truly absurd quantity that I simply can't reach. Even if I could, four infamy? No thanks. Starting a gang war, in addition to the infamy, doesn't really seem like "keeping the peace" and so also isn't a great choice. Could I have chosen the sneaky option? I suppose. I don't know how much easier it would have been. But the confrontation wasn't difficult, just really really tedious.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Nov 4, 2011 21:37:08 GMT -5
wow, I can't wait to see that action, 56 koku...I almost want to do it just because, but I just got down to 4 infamy on the downward trek and don't feel like having to work even more off.
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Bayushi Hisa
Scorpion Clan
Samurai * Courtier * Dark Paragon of Will * Loyal
Posts: 479
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Nov 4, 2011 22:42:14 GMT -5
If so, it didn't really translate over that well. The first job wasn't an option for me at all, as 56 koku is a truly absurd quantity that I simply can't reach. Even if I could, four infamy? No thanks. Starting a gang war, in addition to the infamy, doesn't really seem like "keeping the peace" and so also isn't a great choice. Could I have chosen the sneaky option? I suppose. I don't know how much easier it would have been. But the confrontation wasn't difficult, just really really tedious. 56 koku is the amount of gambling debt the Otomo brat incurred, and 4 infamy I think is rather low for that action. You are a magistrate paying ransom to gang members, allowing them to continue to operate and thrive, instead of bringing them to justice. News of that gets around and you should expect a massive infamy hit. Gang War I thought would have been a hidden mission since it seems to be the one that the Shosuro in a scorpion only hidden action during chapter 2 wants you to do. The goal of it is to take out a pest to the scorpion clan while binding the otomo into your debt at the same time.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Nov 4, 2011 23:28:42 GMT -5
I know where the 56 koku figure comes from. I'm saying that it's a completely untenable figure for anyone that isn't actively padding their dynasty with everyone in the game. Not in a single click, anyway.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Nov 5, 2011 0:12:24 GMT -5
I haven't gotten there yet, but I have no possibility of a 56 koku payoff myself.
Looks like I'll be carving through the Red Fox Inn Kill-Bill-House-of-Blue-Leaves style... which suits Takezo, of course ;D
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Nov 5, 2011 2:00:17 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt the original scenario was designed for rank 7-8 characters like Takezo Also... in the original - why not call in Clan support and have about 30 samurai raid the place? That's what I would have done. "Minor-daimyo-sama, I hope you are well blah blah blah. Please be aware there are many blah blah blah. If you could make the human resources necessary to punish these miscreants available it would be much appreciated and I would be happy to rid your lands of this filth" etc
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Nov 5, 2011 12:29:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm with Yuusha. Even a minor daimyo should be able to muster that sort of manpower, especially since as a player, I'd even let them take credit for it. At the very least it's another feather in their proverbial cap and something to brag about at Winter Court.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Nov 5, 2011 15:11:25 GMT -5
I know where the 56 koku figure comes from. I'm saying that it's a completely untenable figure for anyone that isn't actively padding their dynasty with everyone in the game. Not in a single click, anyway. Actually, if you equip the right koku-generating items (specificially Miya Map (Hand), Fan of Command (Symbol), Otomo Technique (Kata), Travelling Peddler (Follower), Governor (Position), and Ki-Rin's Blessing (Soul)) you can get a +28 koku bump.
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
Posts: 180
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Nov 6, 2011 11:08:44 GMT -5
I know where the 56 koku figure comes from. I'm saying that it's a completely untenable figure for anyone that isn't actively padding their dynasty with everyone in the game. Not in a single click, anyway. Actually, if you equip the right koku-generating items (specificially Miya Map (Hand), Fan of Command (Symbol), Otomo Technique (Kata), Travelling Peddler (Follower), Governor (Position), and Ki-Rin's Blessing (Soul)) you can get a +28 koku bump. Even if you have all of those, to get to 56 koku, you need a dynasty of: - 54, if your starting Koku is 10 - 69, if your starting koku is 5 - 75, if your starting Koku is 3 I doubt many people will have that many RL friends playing the game (I was surprised to find I have 25 (+4 Alts)), so some "game-only" friends are needed to "pad" that out.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Nov 6, 2011 11:18:24 GMT -5
If someone chooses to paid a ransom or sneak into, please post the results in Stories List thread in Question Corner.
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Post by Hida Joji on Nov 7, 2011 5:19:11 GMT -5
Ki-Rin's Blessing (Soul) is for untainted only. We need some sort of Tainted Soul with koku on it.
How about barbarian Li-Man Brothers? A couple of foreign barbarian merchants who tried to peddle fake Jade to the crab. When caught they made a good case for themselves and got a non-guilty veredict AND a 15 day ride into the shadowlands with their own "derivative Jade" to protect them.
Since I can't pay the ransom and the fight option is known I'll try the Sneak when I get there... I'm doing everything and it's slooooow.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Nov 7, 2011 5:44:53 GMT -5
Maybe go to Shiro Kuni and get rid of some Taint? It could help also - since Tainted characters have access to more tokens and some powerful items, there should be some things for not Tainted characters too.
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Post by Hida Joji on Nov 7, 2011 6:11:40 GMT -5
Maybe go to Shiro Kuni and get rid of some Taint? It could help also - since Tainted characters have access to more tokens and some powerful items, there should be some things for not Tainted characters too. ATM I think there is a good balance between taint vs no-taint character choice. #of tokens Idon't know who has acess to more, but I don't think that really matters. As to powerfull items, afaik noone has the advantage since apart from a koku giving soul there is no other item that stands out. I really like the Li-Man bros. idea. Think I'll expand that idea.
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