Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Dec 16, 2011 0:36:34 GMT -5
Awww look on the bright side - you can always try again!
Kind of like the motto for the Spider really. "Sucked at your first life? Try again (but with more evil and shiny)!"
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
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Post by Zeure on Dec 16, 2011 0:50:45 GMT -5
Except this could have been a unique case, based on the wording of the post when it came out, and it wasn't. It was the same old, same old.
I'm just having trouble coming to grips with the fact that the spider is never going to be a threat to the empire. Ever. Not even to one clan who wasn't even home in the game, but they sure were there in the clicks.
Eventually, I'm sure I'll stop caring as we are time and time again proven to not be able to accomplish anything.
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quarim
Dragon Clan
Merchant*Qolat*Gaijin
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Post by quarim on Dec 16, 2011 1:18:12 GMT -5
We suck!
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Post by Hida Joji on Dec 16, 2011 3:18:54 GMT -5
Spider did 5,9 that almost triple what crab did and they where your direct antagonists... I think it was an awesome effort.
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Post by Shoju on Dec 16, 2011 7:07:22 GMT -5
Can we please do something about drop rates, or the goblin jobs?
I have now blown 900+ fate on throwing stones in the river, and I don't have 10 curses. I would be more than willing to blow the fate on recruiting goblins, and getting taint and infamy, and losing honor and glory, and then doing the actions at forgotten tomb and losing more honor and glory, and getting more taint and infamy to do the jobs and get the curses so that I can lose more honor and glory and gain more taint and infamy to do the oni ally jobs.
But I can't, because I have too much honor to recruit goblins, while I have more infamy than honor, and 3500 taint.
Please
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Dec 16, 2011 7:30:32 GMT -5
Meh, had I known that all the clicks were the same, I would have just hurled goblins at the walls. Instead I wasted a bunch of clicking on gathering undead legions. We would have had another few hundred clicks on our side easy if I'd gone with goblins instead. >.< Lesson learned, I guess.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 16, 2011 9:08:21 GMT -5
I have now blown 900+ fate on throwing stones in the river, and I don't have 10 curses. Shoju, you're missing the fine irony here. Searching for curses is making you curse the game. I think the throwing stones action is working better than you imagine, it's giving you curses in RL
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Post by Shoju on Dec 16, 2011 9:16:40 GMT -5
The irony isn't lost on me, I promise.
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Post by Hida Joji on Dec 16, 2011 10:43:37 GMT -5
Meh, had I known that all the clicks were the same, I would have just hurled goblins at the walls. Instead I wasted a bunch of clicking on gathering undead legions. We would have had another few hundred clicks on our side easy if I'd gone with goblins instead. >.< Lesson learned, I guess. This is an important post. Players who wish to achieve victory and whoever designs the actions must take into account cost/click ratio and plan it. I don't mean it needs to be the same I just mean it IS a factor and should be a design option instead of semi-random accorence.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Dec 16, 2011 11:03:07 GMT -5
It must be said - the Spider did very well. Good on you. If even Crab enemies would not have helped then you would have gotten Shiro Hiruma.
On the other hand it was always an extreme action. I think your assassination choice would have been better and would have had more effect. Since when have the Spider been a direct force Clan who rally all the shadowlands monsters at someone? I thought they were more shurido, sneaking about, plotting and manipulation. Stick to that - it's your schtick. This whole giant pitched battle thing... less so perhaps?
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Post by Hida Joji on Dec 16, 2011 11:24:49 GMT -5
Taking a castle isn't defeating the wall, especially Shiro Hiruma that was conquered for most of the L5R timeline.
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Post by Hida Kyoso on Dec 16, 2011 13:09:40 GMT -5
I'm happy to see the Crab not get creamed for leaving the wall, for one simple reason: It allows us to be active in the empire, and not be penalized for it. And this is a good thing.
As a player of a large amount of L5R campaigns, and often a Crab player, it's a fairly common trope: Crab get embroiled in some conflict within the empire, take their eye off the wall, and BAM Horde shows up and we loose part of the wall. And let me tell you, it gets old, and frustrating. You start to feel like a punching bag.
It means that if the Crab want to be meaningfully involved in anything going on in the Empire, they risk failing in their one main task. Or, they stick to the wall, and they cease to be a factor in any inner conflict in the empire.
I understand why it gets used so often. The Shadowlands are one of the settings Black and White things: They are bad, no questions. They are very effective as an antagonist in the setting. I just feel, that the particular trope of "The Crab send a force off the wall, and get beat up for it" is overused and really bad for the game because of it.
At the same time. I sympathize with the Spider. Being the 'bad guys', you guys get ganged up on as the 'bad guys'. It sucks. I hope you do get chances to effect things and get some vistories. I just hope it's in less Cliched ways than kicking the Crab because we get involved in inside the empire conflict.
Not knowing anything thats going on with you guys OTHER than your shadowlands assault, my suggestion? Try to move things to more clandestine affairs within the empire. Don't be the Shadowlands Horde trying to crush the empire under your tainted heel, be the incidious plotting evil that the Spider so well embodies. Hopefully not coming across as patronizing, like I said, don't really know what's gone on/going on with the spider, being new here. (and I know ultimately Jay has say over the plot, so player action ultimately mat not effect direction of the game and plot).
Sorry for the long post, had to get that off my chest. lol
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Post by Hida Joji on Dec 16, 2011 14:55:55 GMT -5
Hida Kyoso... You need to go to the Festering Pit of Fu Leng... Your GF is there!
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Post by Shoju on Dec 16, 2011 15:06:41 GMT -5
YOU CAN'T HAVE MY LADY!
She is mine
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Post by Hida Kyoso on Dec 16, 2011 16:14:09 GMT -5
Kyoso no Oni and I are not exactly on speaking terms. She's rather protective of her name and all. though she did say I would make a wonderful oni spawn. I think she meant it more as a threat than compliment though...
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