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Post by Soshi Kiso on May 24, 2012 13:50:48 GMT -5
Now do you believe we're here to help?!  |
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Post by Shokuma on May 24, 2012 14:14:05 GMT -5
Every defense action gives taint? Seriously? Looks like the Spider are finally getting their victory.  Everyone must join us. You can do it willingly, or fight tooth and claw until it consumes you. ;D |
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Post by Mirumoto Daisuke on May 24, 2012 14:46:07 GMT -5
Does this mean that if the Crab keep the doors closed, then are Scorpion not allowed to participate in defending the Fortress? Or can we assume that they're all sneaky enough to pass Crab defenses and participate anyway?
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan 
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
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Post by Shagi the Mad on May 24, 2012 15:47:52 GMT -5
Every defense action gives taint? Seriously? Looks like the Spider are finally getting their victory. Here's the deal: You go rescue some peasants and stop the Samurai of Rokugan from killing each other, and the Damned will take care of business! 873 Light Infantry; 484 Heavy Infantry; Bring it on! |
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on May 24, 2012 16:16:29 GMT -5
...Well, the fortress of the forgotten is guaranteed to fall, with only two defense actions and both giving taint while requiring crab ally. I wonder if the crab will switch votes to opening the gate and hope the scorpion can help stop that rampaging horde when it keeps moving on.
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Post by Shoju on May 24, 2012 16:23:59 GMT -5
This is most assuredly NOT the last round of actions here. Kyoso hasn't shown up, which means she's going to show up at some point, which would make sense if it means that the people who don't want to get tainted have to "take the time to show up".
Guaranteed to fall if it stays the way it is? Sure. I will give you that. But that's because the numbers of people who are willing to taint themselves to stop the 20-30 active Spider's isn't that high. Introduce actions that aren't tainty, and we will probably fall over.
of the 31 players currently at fortress of the forgotten, 11 are spider. And that's with us taking the time to prepare. I wouldn't get to defeated yet.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on May 24, 2012 16:52:22 GMT -5
Intensive classes on "Jade Strike" now available at Shinden Asahina Dealing with taint should be done through ranged attacks I don't like the idea of loosing the Empire to taint and darkness. Now I'm twice hoping for the game won't end, specially like this. |
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 24, 2012 17:22:28 GMT -5
I think it makes all the sense in the world for the actions at the Fortress of the Forgotten to give Taint to the defenders. Its supposed to be only the Forgotten protecting the place, they're already crazed and tainted and have no reason to hold back against the Shadowlands. I can only say that it was a "smart" place to breach the wall. Once the army of aberrations destroys the Fortress, and I have no doubt that it will fall, and reaches the walls of Shiro Kaiu we should get more appropriate actions and the opportunity for other Clans, namely the Scorpion, to get involved in the battle. We are still 12 days away from our "deadline", there is much to happen  |
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on May 24, 2012 18:26:12 GMT -5
This is most assuredly NOT the last round of actions here. Kyoso hasn't shown up, which means she's going to show up at some point, which would make sense if it means that the people who don't want to get tainted have to "take the time to show up". Guaranteed to fall if it stays the way it is? Sure. I will give you that. But that's because the numbers of people who are willing to taint themselves to stop the 20-30 active Spider's isn't that high. Introduce actions that aren't tainty, and we will probably fall over. of the 31 players currently at fortress of the forgotten, 11 are spider. And that's with us taking the time to prepare. I wouldn't get to defeated yet. ...So is this intentional misdirection? I know you remember the numbers from the last shadowlands battle and that was with both sides of the civil war fighting against you with no fear of taint. Giving you a head start will guarantee a loss here unless the new actions that come in are so completely synergistic that you literally don't have to leave there at all to fight. |
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Post by The Blue Ronin on May 24, 2012 23:15:39 GMT -5
Shoju, is it really empirically proven that the Spider are so tragically small that you must bring it up every bloody time there's some sort of player voting action involving them? I hope that 20-30 figure doesn't come from the forums...
I find it ironic that the Crab, constantly chastising other Clans from neglecting the defense of the wall, are refusing the assistance of anybody who doesn't have a Crab Ally (which is interestingly no longer attainable in-game)
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Post by Hida Joji on May 25, 2012 0:25:59 GMT -5
I think it's cool this way, I believe more actions for will appear for the untaited crowd. As to the crab switching their vote Perhaps the untainted ones... the rest are on the wall fighting the enemy and getting the perks that come with fighting the shadowlands!
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on May 25, 2012 7:55:08 GMT -5
Shoju, is it really empirically proven that the Spider are so tragically small that you must bring it up every bloody time there's some sort of player voting action involving them? I hope that 20-30 figure doesn't come from the forums... I find it ironic that the Crab, constantly chastising other Clans from neglecting the defense of the wall, are refusing the assistance of anybody who doesn't have a Crab Ally (which is interestingly no longer attainable in-game) Who pissed in your Wheaties this morning? |
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Post by Shoju on May 25, 2012 8:16:50 GMT -5
...So is this intentional misdirection? I know you remember the numbers from the last shadowlands battle and that was with both sides of the civil war fighting against you with no fear of taint. Giving you a head start will guarantee a loss here unless the new actions that come in are so completely synergistic that you literally don't have to leave there at all to fight. What do you mean intentional misdirection? Is it so hard to believe or understand that there is a lead in for the Spider to attack, while the rest of the empire catches up? Is it so hard to believe that until the rest of the empire gets to the very southern reaches of it, that the only people there are the tainted people who live here? Last time I checked, we lost the last time. We lost 8161 to 10364, and there was a MASSIVE battle being fought in the north. We lost 56% to 44%. So while the lead in to this battle is Spider VS. the Damned (and anyone else who is willing to get tainted to save the empire), the only way that this turns into a "guaranteed" loss is if the coming actions (because with an 11 day timer, you know it's coming *soon*) from the reinforcements are as difficult to do as the rest, or if the Crab is unable to gain the resources to deal with the problem. Shoju, is it really empirically proven that the Spider are so tragically small that you must bring it up every bloody time there's some sort of player voting action involving them? I hope that 20-30 figure doesn't come from the forums... From the Forum? Seriously? You mean the total of 8 active spider players on the boards? I keep pretty close tabs on the comings and goings of Spider. From checking the Recently Active Spider boards, and trying to make a correlation between the names that appear on it, and active players, I have come up with 27 names (+ 1 more from the defection yesterday) of players who have shown up on a consistent basis. Then, I've looked at the overall sample sizes of the game. There are 6376 total characters in the game that aren't Jays test character. There are 319 total spider characters in the game. Some simple math shows that the Spider accounts for 5% of the total characters that have been rolled up in the game. There are 818 Active Monthly Users this month as reported by Facebook. I have made a list that can account for 28 of them. 3.4%. Using this data, we can figure that there are somewhere between 3 (myself, Thrak, and Keeper) and 319 (at the extremes) Spider Players playing monthly. If there is a direct correlation between the maximums (319:6376) and the active monthly users (x:818) you end up with 40.96 players. Since you need to account for wavering in the ratio, There is probably somewhere between the 28 that I can account for, and the 40.96 that the math shows there to be. I bring it up on a consistent basis, because people fail to understand the correlation. They think of it in "L5R" terms, where the Shadowlands is this vast monstrosity that is there as an ominous threat on the horizon, ready to crush things under foot, and not in the terms of "Game terms" where compromise somewhere between 3, and 7% of the active gaming population (using 2% deviation from the ratio) |
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
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Post by Alesha on May 25, 2012 9:26:56 GMT -5
Some kuni rolls is being served by my oni waiters in Forgotten Fortress, I recommend all crane gourmets with taint to give it a try, it is delicious.
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Post by Togashi Homsar on May 25, 2012 9:30:16 GMT -5
Now what did I do with my nuclear launch codes? Sure, you'll lose the castle, but it should wipe out the enemy. =D
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