kasuga
Tortoise Clan
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Post by kasuga on Feb 2, 2011 15:46:56 GMT -5
(OOC: He has a point there actually... I'm sorry, It was me who instigated this thread too... trying a way to deal with this IC too... most huble apologies. Hey Kasuga are you riddik from the old forums?) Yes I am.. Good to see you on these forums.. I like your posts... keeps it very interesting.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Feb 2, 2011 16:30:31 GMT -5
The Following is OOC::
After reviewing the thread, I think that while in-character he would possibly be able to do this, out of character it seems that this is a bit of a dick move on his part. While he would definitely be penalized in-character and be forced to make some kind of donation to the Tortoise that would make up for his loss, he was actually acting as a magistrate. Now, that does not excuse his lack of knowledge about the Tortoise clan and it's laws. It would be a good idea to bring this up to both the Emperor's Court and either the Kuni Daimyo or the Crab Champion. I do not believe there is currently a Kuni Daimyo.
Now, OOC. It was definitely a dick move. To be honest, I'm quite surprised you didn't just ignore him. It was a huge thing to walk into another clan's area and just start ripping people a new one. That's pretty close to what we call god-moding. When you just indiscriminately kill people with crazy spells that blow up buildings and such, well, that's definitely on the border there.
I'll let the Kuni responsible AND Kasuga determine if this situation actually happened or not. Unfortunately, as there was attention drawn to it, a lot of people have seen it. I was asked to come in as well, so here I am. I would love to wave my magic wand (it's actually a jade-studded Tetsubo, go figure, right?) and make everything better, but this will take a bit of discussion on your parts. If you two come to the conclusion that it did not happen, let me know and I'll delete the thread.
So uh, yeah. Just remember that other people are here to have fun. You go blowin' up their shit and they're bound not to like it. Plus, there should DEFINITELY be in-character repercussions for this. Out of Character, the only thing I can really say is that before you do something massive like blowing up a clan's building, you should probably find a clan member to discuss it with and plot over.
Plotting in RPs is a great way to avoid hurting anyone. If people know what's going on, they don't tend to panic.
Alright, carry on and let me know what you two decide.
Setsuro, Setsuro, CRAZIEST CRAB YOU KNOOOWWWW
Cheesy gameshow music fades into the background...
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Post by Kitsuki Bareian on Feb 2, 2011 16:32:04 GMT -5
(OOC: Okay, this would be my damage control in making up for whatever was lost... I wish it would help everyone involved. Katusotshi could not come personally as he is rather tied up in a tense situation with Setsuro-sama in the crab lands.)
Tetsu Kama Mura, a month ago...
Mirumoto Katsutoshi glanced at the small box that had been placed neatly on his small writing table in his room. Since the time he had received the box, he had only opened it once, during the meeting with the first person to have entertained the idea of being part of the seedy underwrold of Rokugan. Kastutoshi could remember it like it was yesterday;
He was still known as Mirumoto Kentei during the end of his musha shugyo, and he met this tortoise clan ambassador during the imperial courts, even traded his sake for the content of the small box he is now staring at. That small box that contained Opium.
Katsutoshi laughed at the memory he reminisced. Nodding, he took out a paper and began to write;
Greetings friend Kasuga (sunflower?)
How many season has it been since the time of our meeting? I fear that the seasons has led us to new paths that we never assumed we would be embarking in our lives. You who claimed to be a lowest of the lowest amongst the Tortoise, is surprisingly hatamoto of the clan now. While I, is Chui to the 36th legion of the dragon armies, and currently voted as ambassador to the crab lands.
In any case-- I am in need of a small favor from you-- An associate of mine has been cheating me off my profits in an investment I agreed to take part in your lands. You see, I am part owner of a small inn named the Hollow Shell. I would be in your debt if you look into these matters, and tell me of what is happening in these inn I agreed to invest on.
Your good friend, Mirumoto Katsutoshi (formerly known as Kentei)
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The messenger ran hurriedly towards Kyuden Kasuga-- His legs already giving way to fatigue, but he had to carry on, by the loud sound he heard -- It seemed the letter his master sent was already late. Someone would answer, and he was afraid it would have to be him.
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kasuga
Tortoise Clan
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Post by kasuga on Feb 3, 2011 9:34:40 GMT -5
A tired Kasuga, once named Himawari ("Sunflower"), puts aside a coded imperial dispatch and holds a delicate brush in his hands...
"My dear friend Katsutoshi-san,
First, in these troubled times, I hope that you are well, that your family and clan are prosperous, and that others recognize the impeccable honor to which you so magnificently display.
I have, indeed, looked into your holding at the "Hollow Shell Inn", and I admit I have come close to the sin of regret. It was I that first suggested that investment so long ago, when we journeyed together in more peaceful times. While profitable, it appears that you were correct in your suspicions (perhaps the kitsuki have rubbed off on you, my friend?). The inn was merely a front for the Kolat, a group of insidious criminals of the highest caliber. In addition to funding criminal activities, they appear to be supporting the Yobanjin Invasion... and as a Kuni Witchhunter stumbled upon while in our lands, Maho use as well. Regardless of this 'deviltry', we managed to gain entrance into their organization and have discovered the source of their direction and operations. In a wonderful coincidence, the destruction of the Inn allowed us to hide the fact that their operation had indeed been compromised by Kasuga, as Imperial agents. Sadly, in addition to the Kolat agents, several of our own Tortoise Vassals were unwittingly killed. I have ordered the erection of a shrine to the "Unrecognized Tortoise" and arranged for the positive futures of the families of these brave and honorable citizens of Rokugan. As for the Inn, it appears that the explosion destroyed the property, but not the gold that was in the cellar. Doubtless it was meant for the destruction of the empire, but we must put it to good use. This note is accompanied by the over 1000 koku that mark your share of the Inn's profit. I hope that it will see better use than by the former owners. Please forgive it's condition, some of it was melted by the extreme heat of the destructive spells. If it is enough to raise a company of Dragon Bushi to stop the Yobanjin, we may yet harvest good barley from barren fields.
Lastly, although it is an imposition, if you could keep this matter secret, those that direct me on behalf of the Empire have said that there is much to be gained from this day, should we keep silent upon it. While the reputation of the Kasuga must take a blow for the good of the Empire, our honor, our service, remains unblemished.
In all things,
your hard shelled friend,
-Kasuga Himiwari
And then, looking out the window at a slowly moving turtle in the garden, the Kasuga sighed. Slow movement, but movement still... he thought.
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Post by the monk Basufu on Feb 3, 2011 10:36:35 GMT -5
OOC: Where are you getting that opium is legal in Kasuga lands? Where's the documentation? Because it's illegal throughout the Empire. Or are you just making that up to try to screw with me? Unless you have some actual source from the game that the Imperial Law against opium is suspended for Tortoise, you need to retract that. Further, unless there are great opium fields around Kyuden Kasuga, it's also imported aka smuggled aka doubly illegal. So, yeah.
The one Kasuga "school" is Kasuga Smuggler, which could just be written Kasuga Breaker-of-Imperial-Law. Now, you can claim a mandate to do the things you do, but like Scorpion and their ninja, if you get caught, you still get in trouble.
In any case, if you did make an appearance of bloodspeaker-ey-ness, then my character would hardly even apologize for busting in, guns blazing, if he saw them cutting on someone. Bloodspeakers cutting on someone is bad, m'kay?
Still, my instinct, since this all seems to be so contentious that I happened to blow up an inn that was in your lands, which you are apparently taking to be some essential piece of Kasuga property, is to just kill the thread. It got real messy real quick.
Oh, and Utaku whatever. Twice. I posted twice. Once with the main entry, once to say bye. That's it. So, I wasn't bullying anyone.
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kasuga
Tortoise Clan
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Post by kasuga on Feb 3, 2011 13:30:48 GMT -5
Kuni-san... please stop posting on this forum.. You are trolling at best, griefing at worst. I really do not wish to interact with you further.
For the sake of clarification: As for opium with the Tortoise, I would first have you refer to L5r's "Fealty and Freedom", especially pages 97-98 and 101, which cover both the invovlement of Tortoise with normally contraband goods, and their belief that the suspension of some imperial laws is justified in order to meet their greater ends.
As for opium dens, you have only to look at p145 of the Emerald Empire to see that recreational opium dens abound through Rokugan "it remains a peverse sort of tourist attraction to this day for those who wish to indulge in vice.." or "the recreational use of opium in Ryoko Owari Toshi and elsewhere in the empire." Also a few of the "Secrets of the XXX" clan books have multiple references to Opium. As you know, Opium is widely used for medicinal purposes as well.
You may be confusing our modern society with that of Rokugan. There's no imperial law that I know of that outright bans opium usage in the current timeline. Please provide sources on it, and also explain why, when other source materials clearly outline that such places are prevolent, well known, and legal in some clan's lands... how it can in fact be outlawed?
As to sources, Scorpion lands (Secrets of the Scorpion) are "Abundant with poppy fields which are harvested for medicinal opium." Also see Emerald Empire (p145 and others) for references to both Scorpion and Unicorn trade/smuggling in Opium.
The Mantis also have sources of Opium and other drugs through the Ivory Kingdom. All of these places, especially port cities, are available to Tortoise merchants, who are in every city that trades with Gaijin, by Imperial Mandate. Kasuga, have an exemption from the Emperor for trade with Gaijin, which is in almost every book that references the Kasuga, including Fealty and Freedom p.99.
There are actually four Kasuga schools, some of which are still coming out for 4th ed. Kasuga Smuggler, Kasuga Bushi (which used to be the worst bushi school), Kasuga Courtier, and Kasuga Deciever. In addition, all the minor clan schools could also be used, such as minor clan explorer and shugenja.
Also- unlike the Scorpion, we actually *do* have an Imperial Mandate. It is much more akin to the Otomo. Emperor Hantei Muhaki, after the Battle of White Stag, "Under the protection of the Emperor and with it's new goals clearly in mind..." Those goals were the monitoring of Gaiji and criminals. This is in addition to "Imperial decree gives the Tortoise the official job of... the former capitol" p96, fealty and freedom. And 4th ed. states "The Tortoise Clan is nearly an Imperial family..." and "The Kasuga ...commit all manner of devious acts to maintain the Emperor's power." p 225, 4th ed.
In case you have not spent a great deal of time with the older, but cannonical source material on the Tortoise, the short version is this: The tortoise engage in all sorts of unglorious and dishonorable activities, under the protection and blessing of the Emperor. They are the "undercover" police and "deep cover spies" of the world of Rokugan, and suffer the same stigmas and benefits that such people do in today's modern world.
As to the "Bloodspeaker" event... to be clear, running on a rampage, unless you are a Jade Magistrate, is likely to get you killed in another Clan's lands. This *one* time, I have tried hard to find a way to smooth over your actions. Please stay off the Tortoise boards in the future, and do not post additional fictions without permission of the admins.
And yes, I felt bullied and trolled by you. Merely saying "I didn't do it" does not make it so. As a result, I encourage you to unilaterally role-play with other clans, rather than the Tortoise, in the future.
Sincerely,
-Kasuga.
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Post by the monk Basufu on Feb 3, 2011 13:50:25 GMT -5
Again, "their belief" does not make it so in general. Nor does the existence of illegal trade in opium, or gaijin pepper or anything else, make it legal. Nor does the fact that many clans engage in this practice make it legal. Not to mention that I didn't do this in this fashion because of the opium, but to save one of your subjects, in case you forgot.
Also, you are not an admin. You don't have the right to tell me where to post or not to. Each clan, including yours, has its own private area. These areas are for everyone to use. Get over yourself. It's a fuckin writeup on a fuckin forum, not a personal attack.
I am sorry you don't like my style of doing this. Perhaps I've overstepped bounds, but this is really the first time I've done this type of roleplaying, so I'm still learning how things go, and I suspect opinions on that vary, even amongst those more experienced. Again, I'd like to just dump the thread.
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kasuga
Tortoise Clan
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Post by kasuga on Feb 3, 2011 16:17:15 GMT -5
I'll let your last post and the language used speak for itself.
You are not welcome on Tortoise Forums... if you need to hear it from an Admin, I will have that arranged.
Please go away.
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Post by the monk Basufu on Feb 3, 2011 16:34:40 GMT -5
You know what, please, please do. I don't think having a couple cuss words (are you four?) is really grounds for the banhammer. If it is, so be it. But until such time as that happens, I'll post where I want to. I don't think I've been abusive or done anything wrong. We have a disagreement. We could have talked it out, but if you wanna freak out instead, go ahead.
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kasuga
Tortoise Clan
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Post by kasuga on Feb 3, 2011 17:11:36 GMT -5
This will be my last post on this topic.
After reflecting on other posts in this thread...as far as I am concerned, the events of this post did not happen. Nothing was blown up, no one died, no torturing occured. It was a non-event.
As to any laws or activities, I defer to the Admins and where silent, to cannonical sources.
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