Yoritomo Sueno
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 17, 2011 22:56:15 GMT -5
Somewhere in the docklands of Kyuden Gotei sits a small ale house called Ino's Place. It is not the seediest or most disreputable but it is more frequented by heimin sailors than by samurai. Nonetheless here is a Samurai. Yoritomo Sueno might be unrecognisable to those who had seen him in the courts of Kyuden Ikoma or Shiro Ide. Here he wears only a simple green robe with short sleeves and minimal embroidery, and his hair is not oiled or tied but allowed to fly out behind his head in a loose thatch. Indeed to most he might seem to be a heimin, but he wears a wakizashi and has a small unobtrusive Yoritomo mon on his left breast. He is quietly playing fortunes and winds with himself and sipping slowly on some sake, making it last. The other patrons don't give him a second glance. But it is clear to anybody with any sense in their head that he is waiting for somebody. And those who are truly perceptive might notice he is worried. Even frightened.
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Tsuruchi Kourin
Mantis Clan
Honesty, Loyalty, Mercy, Justice, Brotherhood, Judgement: this is how a true warrior lives.
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Post by Tsuruchi Kourin on Feb 18, 2011 3:40:45 GMT -5
Tsuruchi Kourin had heard of “Ino's Place” before during her duties as a clan magistrate. Once or twice, she had even ventured into the small sake house pursuant to her duties. Tonight, however, she was following other events that lead her to this otherwise unremarkable establishment. There was business to do, and it was best that those listening in were not of the kind to take a second thought of it. To further blend in with the intended crowd, Kourin had decided to don a simple, flat-green pair of hakama and tunic. The Tsuruchi mon was embroidered in thin gold on the left breast, and Kourin wore her typical armband of black and gold on her right upper arm. Her wakizashi sat neatly at her side, and a simple pouch dangled from the other side of her obi.
Stepping into the establishment, Kourin took a moment to look around. She noted, as was her habit, the windows and doors before glancing about the patrons. She looked past Yoritomo Sueno the first time, but noted the samurai with her second glance. His apprehension did nothing to ease her own. Stepping over to him quietly, she pulled from the pouch at her side a neatly wrapped cup and dice set. “Yoritomo-san,” she started, her voice quieter than normal, “it is much better to play with company than to play alone. May I have permission to join you?” She hoped not to catch him too off guard, and she hoped he would understand that the traditional etiquette would have only served to draw attention to them.
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Yoritomo Sueno
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Naval * Merchant * Tactician * Experienced * Courtier * Unique
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 18, 2011 5:14:48 GMT -5
Sueno doesn't say anything, mutely pointing to the tokens. He begins to play. He's obviously a skilled player but not focused on winning. They play for a little while and the place gradually begins to empty. Finally Sueno gives a significant look to the barkeep who brings over a small bamboo screen. It is placed between them and the main room. Outside a samisen begins to play, loud enough they cannot be overheard. They have privacy. Sueno visibly relaxes.
"Thank you for coming Kourin-san. I was very frightened when I contacted you. I have had reason to believe something I thought unthinkable. The suspicion has built in me for weeks and months and I checked and re-checked. But there is only one thing I can conclude. Our Champion is a traitor"
He waits, hoping for Kourin to confirm this.
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Tsuruchi Kourin
Mantis Clan
Honesty, Loyalty, Mercy, Justice, Brotherhood, Judgement: this is how a true warrior lives.
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Post by Tsuruchi Kourin on Feb 20, 2011 2:29:06 GMT -5
Tsurushi Kourin let a frown play across her expression. This was a topic she did not want to discuss too loudly, both for its distasteful nature and for the implications thereof. Sipping from a cup of sake she had earlier ordered, she considered her response. “I have heard too many rumors for such to be fabrication,” she started, taking another slow sip. “The rumors themselves were too dissimilar to be conclusive, but the numbers and sources led me to investigate.” She sighed softly, somewhat crestfallen at what she knew to be true, though she wanted to disbelieve it entirely. “I am uncertain of the exact nature of these events, but there is one thing of which I am sure. The evidence points to a Scorpion hand being present in and about Taikan's dealings.”
Kourin steeled her resolve against this truth. She had to remain strong, to continue through the end of the meeting. “We cannot challenge him openly on this, regardless. The war between Kumiko and Kitao nearly tore us apart once. We must not allow that to happen. Whatever we do, it must as the Scorpion would do: quietly.”
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Yoritomo Sueno
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 20, 2011 3:04:48 GMT -5
*Sueno nods* "I've noticed the same thing. I recently discovered some of pirates in the possession of Clan artifacts that should never have left Kyuden Gotei. They said that they had taken them from a vessel that works for the Scorpion Clan. I think Taikan is sending our treasures to the Scorpion. I can't think why"
"You are right that we need to do this quietly. I have arranged a personal audience with the Champion in the next few days. Since you are a magistrate I want you to accompany me so that it is done with justice in the tradition of our Clan even if it is a silent justice. You are right, the Scorpion have taught us that we need to do this with skill and discretion"
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Feb 20, 2011 3:32:31 GMT -5
(SSSSSAAAAAMMMMAAAAAA HALT!
Now that I have your attention, understand that I am speaking in an OOC fashion.
First of all, you are not allowed to control player characters. You are in violation of this by your direction that Yogo Taikan took anything from you. So it's you're in violation of the rules, or your character is a failure of investigation and will shame himself/his family for this failure, it will also be of luck to you if you don't incur a blood feud of some type from the Scorpion. Seriously bad move.
Now we have to talk about your own clan. You're directly declaring another PC a traitor. Now, you can actively bad mouth your Clan Champion as much as you want, but you can't prove anything. In fact, you'll never have any proof of your champion betraying your clan unless Tsuruchi Jesse says so.
That being said, I hope you're prepared for a massive in-character shit storm. Most Mantis would look at you with horror if they found out you said this. In fact, you might be brought before the champion on the spot. Or killed for saying such blasphemous things.
Now then, let me just remind you one more time. You can not, have not and will never be able to control other players to make them do any actions which they have not allowed. I want you both to read this topic very thoroughly and remember it. I've tried hard to be really hands off when it comes to roleplaying, but I can't allow you to control two player characters. It simply must be put to a halt. I'll not be locking this topic, but this is where I have to put my foot down.
That means you, all the people who would interrupt and put your two cents in, don't. This is a rule that I MUST enforce.
Thank you.)
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Yoritomo Sueno
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 20, 2011 3:37:18 GMT -5
OOC: Setsuro-sama let me explain this to you also speaking OOCly
Tsuruchi Taikan (not Yogo Taikan) became the Mantis Champion. Then, without telling us why, he seppuku-ed his character. We are trying to appoint another Champion. This is simply our way of RPing the process. We could simply say "Oh, Taikan disappeared, we don't know where he went" but I thought RPing it would be better. We are not trying to control another character since the character doesn't actually exist anymore. The player may or may not but we have been advised by his friends that he has no interest in forum RP so I'm going to presume he doesn't care.
If we are going to follow your idea of the rules then we basically have no way to RP the transition from one Champion to another because you won't let us say anything about the old Champion.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Feb 20, 2011 3:43:07 GMT -5
OOC:
You are confusing Yogo Taikan with Tsuruchi Taikiume. They are different people. Plus, you're misunderstanding what I said.
If you think you can win over your clan and take down your clan champion, be my guest, but you are not allowed to fabricate fake evidence to do it. This is a REAL player character of Tsuruchi Taikiume is Tsuruchi Jesse. If you want to say "Hey, our champion vanished on us and we're abandoned, time to elect a new champion" that's totally cool, but you can't say "Hey, this PLAYER CHARACTER did this". I mean, you could say that, but you'd be a lying honorless dog because they never did that.
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Yoritomo Sueno
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 20, 2011 3:53:39 GMT -5
You're right, I am confused. I'll modify the posts to refer to Taikiume not Taikan. Similar names.
But I'm also confused on what you are saying. So you are saying we can say "our Champion disappeared" but not say "Tsuruchi Taikiume disappeared" even though he was the Champion? Isn't that a bit weird? I mean even if we only ever say "our Champion" everybody will know we are talking about Taikiume.
And as for never did that, Senshi has told Kourin in the chat many times that Taikiume was going to be a means through which he would control the Mantis as a puppet champion. So we are not actually making anything up. Well, we might be making up the specifics, but the idea that Taikiume was going to be a puppet through which the Scorpion control the Mantis is true.
Let me say right now that I'm not angry at Senshi or Taikiume for doing this. It's totally in character and fair. This isn't some kind of attempt to punish them. We are just trying to write a story around the change in Champions from Taikiume to Kourin.
But let me ask you this. If we remove all references to Taikiume and just talk about a nameless Mantis Champion from the Tsuruchi, is that OK?
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Feb 20, 2011 4:12:22 GMT -5
First, I never said you couldn't vanish. I said you couldn't say that Taikiume betrayed you. Reread what I said. I knew there would be misunderstandings, which is why I said to reread.
Second, just because he said puppet leader doesn't mean anything. That could mean that Senshi intended to suck up to Taikiume and earn favor.
Making up the specifics is exactly what you can't do. You can't make up what another player was going to do. That's called "Godmoding", :: When you directly control and/or make a character that is not yours do something against their will. Unless you have Taikiume's permission, you're not allowed to make Taikiume do anything. Taikiume is NOT your character.
You currently have a champion. Just speak the truth "Tsuruchi Taikiume has vanished. What will we do?" Let your clan decide. Don't speak of betrayal unless you're prepared to back it up with real evidence. If you did this, what you're doing right now, in Rokugan, and you were in my clan? I would ask for the three cuts or I would kill you myself for such distasteful disobedience. Any Champion worth their salt would have you dead or dying within an hour if you chose not to perform the three cuts.
Also to mention all of their conversations were OUT OF CHARACTER. Meaning you are NOT allowed to use it in character. That's completely Metagame, so it will get you in trouble. If there is information in question, simply ask the person about it. If you can't find a straight answer, come find me or another admin and we'll do what we can.
Anyway, so once more and I'll clarify::
You are allowed to make your character do anything you want.
You are not allowed to make other characters do things without the owner of that character's permission.
So unless you can get Tsuruchi Taikiume to come forth and actually betray the Mantis or even just say she betrayed the Mantis, you are a lying, honorless dog. That doesn't mean people won't believe you, but it makes you commit a cardinal sin in Rokugan: Deceitfully betraying your lord. This is one of the single worst things a Samurai can do. There are not many things that are worse.
So..I suggest you go about this all a different way, because if Tsuruchi Taikiume comes back and hears these things you've said..she'll have every right to demand your death. Make sure you follow the bolded parts there. I'm trying to do this to save everyone some problems later on.
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Yoritomo Sueno
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Post by Yoritomo Sueno on Feb 20, 2011 4:50:23 GMT -5
The thing is we can't say Taikiume has vanished because the player never said "im vanishing". If we did we would be breaking the rules you just laid down.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Feb 20, 2011 5:11:37 GMT -5
The thing is we can't say Taikiume has vanished because the player never said "im vanishing". If we did we would be breaking the rules you just laid down. No, you're looking at this all wrong. You're being combative. Why don't you just relax and read the rule I posted a THIRD time? If someone SAYS something, and it's in character, you MIGHT hear it floating around. If someone DOES something, and it's in character, it can be used. Do you see Tsuruchi Taikiume anywhere? Has she/he greeted any guests? Done ANYTHING lately? If Taikiume is not there, then something is wrong. Taikiume has vanished. They went severely inactive. This is something that you can say with it being true. It's something Taikiume did. Taikiume never betrayed the Mantis. Taikiume never sent Mantis treasures to the Scorpion. You're making that up. Just because you heard it OOC doesn't mean you can use it. I spoke to the Scorpion champion, and it hadn't even happened yet IC. So you have no basis for saying Taikiume betrayed you - this is why using OOC information IC can really get you in trouble. Your characters should have NO knowledge of it what-so-ever, especially seeing as it never actually happened. Sueno, you just need to relax man. You're pushing a topic that is really bizarre. You're assaulting a very solid rule, which is ridiculous, and it's in there to protect players. Without it, I could very well just say that YOU attacked ME in Kyuden Hida last night. With me saying that, you would instantly be offered up. Why? Because I'm the Crab Champion and your clan would not want to start a war. See what I mean? The rule is there to protect players from people who are jerks and assholes that try to cause trouble for them. It's one thing to plot out trouble, it's another to make another person's character do something out of their control. Do you understand this rule YET?
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Kitsune Keshi
Mantis Clan
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Post by Kitsune Keshi on Feb 20, 2011 5:12:01 GMT -5
*He means that since she/he has not posted in so long that you can say he/she has vanished as that leaves room for when or if whichever the case may be he/she returns he/she can take a lower position or fight you for championship.
You cannot however say that they have explicitly done a true action that would effect the clan/ clan relationships and politics.
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