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Post by Jay Luo on Feb 18, 2011 15:39:16 GMT -5
Reports indicate that a mighty Yobanjin army has surrounded and besieged Mountain Watch Keep. The Shogun's army is advancing to meet them, and has now reached the Castle of the Swift Sword.
Meanwhile, the Mirumoto have proposed to resolve the matter of the Burning Sands Trade Route with an iaijutsu tournament, which is being held in Dark Edge Village.
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OOC notes: Northern Steppes is now closed off (unless you have Battle 200+ to fight your way through). Players currently in Northern Steppes can still finish up any missions they are currently working on there, but once they leave, it may be difficult to return.
Mountain Watch Keep is now surrounded and besieged. Some jobs have been removed, and other jobs added, to Mountain Watch Keep to reflect the new state of affairs.
The contests set up in Dark Edge Village are intended to reflect the proposed duel to resolve the Burning Sands trade route debate. I don't think we can wait for me to figure out how 1-on-1 duels work, so I set it up as two iaijutsu contests instead, since that already works pretty well. This should also allow non-forum-going players a chance to participate, which I like because it is more inclusive.
You can only do each of these contests *once*, however (no retries). If you have the right items, you theoretically could do both contests, but there's not a lot of advantage to doing so (you kinda throw away your "vote" this way, but get a little extra mastery rewards I suppose).
After couple weeks I'll compare the top score from each of the contests to determine who "wins" the overall tournament.
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Feb 18, 2011 15:59:17 GMT -5
To the Mountain Watch Keep then...
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Ojii
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Post by Ojii on Feb 18, 2011 16:14:54 GMT -5
WONDERFULL SETTINGS AL AROUND... much to do and so less fate.... WOW! Thumps up Jay and Alison!
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 18, 2011 17:10:35 GMT -5
...If you're only comparing the top scores, couldn't people still weight their vote by de-equipping all iajutsu items and doing the undesired option? As long as they make their voted option the highest result they didn't throw it away by doing the 2nd one.
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Post by bodhibloodwave on Feb 18, 2011 19:40:04 GMT -5
How I understood it is that only the first place in both duels are compared against eachother, the side that has the highest score is the side that won the duel. so going by the stats as they currently are: "Against trade 221, For trade 330" means that the side that supports the trade route currently would win the duel
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Post by Ojii on Feb 18, 2011 20:43:10 GMT -5
Jay, it would be good to have it clear here please, becauce the mecanic and the roleplay are so diferent and not everyone put them in the same order... So for the "mecanic" part, how does that work?
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Feb 18, 2011 20:49:42 GMT -5
Thanks for the duels! I like the prerequisites, nice idea.
Battle 200? Is that not a little high, would it not have been better with maybe 100? Or is it planed that only a handful can get there? I think even with 100 it would be hard for many.
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Post by Ojii on Feb 18, 2011 20:51:18 GMT -5
OUPS! Sorry Jay, i just readed the answer on the orther poll... sorry.
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Feb 18, 2011 21:11:31 GMT -5
You can only do each of these contests *once*, however (no retries). If you have the right items, you theoretically could do both contests, but there's not a lot of advantage to doing so (you kinda throw away your "vote" this way, but get a little extra mastery rewards I suppose). Reading it again, I come up with a question: Is just another vote or do the best score decide? If it is the best score, how would it be wasted to roll on both sides, on one without the Iaijutsu gear on the one you choose with the gear (that should make a difference). Anyway, I will roll on both sides, it's nothing personal, I just want to proof that my character is the best duellist in the emerald empire (but since I have that challenge with Takezo I will roll with gear to support the trade route and without against it, hope that Takezo will beat my roll on the against side).
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Post by Takezo on Feb 19, 2011 1:15:40 GMT -5
You can only do each of these contests *once*, however (no retries). If you have the right items, you theoretically could do both contests, but there's not a lot of advantage to doing so (you kinda throw away your "vote" this way, but get a little extra mastery rewards I suppose). Reading it again, I come up with a question: Is just another vote or do the best score decide? If it is the best score, how would it be wasted to roll on both sides, on one without the Iaijutsu gear on the one you choose with the gear (that should make a difference). Anyway, I will roll on both sides, it's nothing personal, I just want to proof that my character is the best duellist in the emerald empire (but since I have that challenge with Takezo I will roll with gear to support the trade route and without against it, hope that Takezo will beat my roll on the against side). I suppose from a min/max perspective, the sensible course is, as you point out, to duel unequipped on the side you *don't really support*, and then with equipment on the side that you *do* - that way you get all the "stuff" from both jobs (tokens, basically), but you still only *vote* for one side in a practical sense. Then there's the "role playing" perspective, where it's nonsensical to play both sides, so you only play one. Now, I am normally a bit of a min/maxer (I'm a mathematician and physicist so I just can't help it ), but in this case I have a fairly strong role-playing "identity" (a clan champion who has actually taken a side on the issue, and indeed pushed the issue to become a tournament) so I just can't bring myself to support both sides just to grab all the "stuff" - I'll be choosing the "Against" side only. I do suspect I'll be dramatically in the minority in this, however...
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Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Feb 19, 2011 2:03:33 GMT -5
I suppose from a min/max perspective, the sensible course is, as you point out, to duel unequipped on the side you *don't really support*, and then with equipment on the side that you *do* - that way you get all the "stuff" from both jobs (tokens, basically), but you still only *vote* for one side in a practical sense. Then there's the "role playing" perspective, where it's nonsensical to play both sides, so you only play one. Now, I am normally a bit of a min/maxer (I'm a mathematician and physicist so I just can't help it ), but in this case I have a fairly strong role-playing "identity" (a clan champion who has actually taken a side on the issue, and indeed pushed the issue to become a tournament) so I just can't bring myself to support both sides just to grab all the "stuff" - I'll be choosing the "Against" side only. I do suspect I'll be dramatically in the minority in this, however... In categories what kind of gamer I am (in my opinion): 1 part powergamer (I use advantages a systems offers me), 1 part storyteller (that not the same as method actor, I am curious how stories unfold and how my character develop within that), and 1 part instigator (I love to do things that nobody seeing coming, which is hard to pull off in this game here). I am fine with either way on this question, but my instigator part thinks that the trade route could be the more interesting way (because it would lead into a direction that we haven't seen already from Alderac). My powergaming side just wants to have both tokens, while my storytelling side goes to show more support for the trade route because my character what just to show that the Kakita's technique is superior to Mirumoto's technique, and gaining favour with the Mantis (and maybe one day an advantage for the Crane being part of this trade thing) is just an additional bonus. I see min-maxing as just another way to roleplay, and sometimes that leads to quite interesting stories. And as a GM in my home campaigns, game mechanics are an important part of the gaming experience (the dice rolls can decide how the entire campaign will develop as much as the players can with decisions they make). That said, my roll on to against side can be pretty much ignored by everyone (consider it a test or something). The roll that counts will be my roll for the trade route. I hope that my roll against it will be beaten by someone (even it will be not easy to do that). But for the roleplay part, Takezo are you interested in a roleplay thread about this duel?
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Feb 19, 2011 11:07:48 GMT -5
Wow Kenshi, you sure did specialise... 0_o
Anyhow, thank you creators for yet more content and watching what is going on in the forums! That is so cool it is hard to describe ^_^
We appreciate all your hard work! I look forward to the clash of the yobanjin main army and the Shogunate army! Wooooo!
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Post by Isawa Kinen on Feb 19, 2011 13:15:25 GMT -5
Wait, 200+ Battle to get back to the Northern Steepes?
I have enough! Woot! (My character is so skewed....I'm a freaking Shugenja, I shouldn't even have Battle a fourth as high...)
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Feb 19, 2011 18:28:45 GMT -5
You could say that it is all due to your yojimbo's advice?
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Feb 19, 2011 20:42:07 GMT -5
Perhaps hes a battle savant? I know personally in RL I'm a certified arm chair general, but I'm also not packing any stars on my shoulder, so I guess I'd fit that bill.
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