Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 13, 2011 9:07:07 GMT -5
Have to derail the thread for one post to answer two posts here...
Also this snipit taken from one of your posts:
Yes, the shogun is an idiot not to put personal feelings aside and look for the best of the empire. I am glad now I have his enmity, people like that are disgusting (I think it would have been far better if people with his favour could do it instead the other way around, but I like it to see that it is possible to prevent folks from certain actions if they have enemies).
Read more: rokuganee.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=535&page=1#ixzz1G4T4BZJY
This could easily have been mistaken as being an IC statement as you referred to your character in the first person, as if he was speaking for himself. I know when I read it the first time I thought it was IC. Thereby, the devs perhaps would not consider their newest update as metagaming.
More importantly however, I hope that you do not take this as proof that metagaming is condoned by the staff. Players should not metagame. Period. Just because Jay acknowledged the discussion on the boards does not mean he thinks we should all metagame. Lets just make that point clear right now.
If you are not sure if something is in-game or not, just ask. Is that so difficult? I am in character more polite than I am normally (when a Crane plays rants about something it is surely out of character). And I thought it's not necessary to make every post in the news section as OOC when all my posts there are OOC.
I think I have to start a new threat just about metagaming, because many of you have a clear misconception what it is and where the true problems are with metagaming and why metagaming happens all the time in every gaming group (social gaming would not be possible without it).
Kenshi :: Warned[/b][/quote]
Warned? Was wondering how soon that will happen here... Somehow I don't think warnings (or banning or many other things admins and mods can do) are useful. The only thing to resolve problems is by talking about them. By the way, so my first warning is also my last warning? What will happen after that, you ban me, because I think that one of your forum rules is just stupid? You ban me because I point out what things are metagaming in various threads, because you fail to see what metagaming is? Actually that is just the admin/mod behaviour that gets me banned from time to time on forums (yes, I got banned from some forums in the past and am sure it will happen in the future too). It feels like you warning me just because you don't want to face that one of your forum rules is worded in a way that makes no sense at all (I know metagaming can be used in ways that spoils the fun for players, but that doesn't mean that metagaming is in general a bad thing, more on this in a separate thread coming soon)...
Sorry that I don't take your words as laws, and still see not how this was resolved other than you forbid talking in another thread about it (suppressing is not resolving). I asked you in a PM about starting a thread just to discuss metagaming there and I did not started it because of your concerns, but since I see that not talking about it makes things just worse I have to start a thread about it.
... I think you're missing the point, Kenshi, its not about metagaming.
Also this snipit taken from one of your posts:
Yes, the shogun is an idiot not to put personal feelings aside and look for the best of the empire. I am glad now I have his enmity, people like that are disgusting (I think it would have been far better if people with his favour could do it instead the other way around, but I like it to see that it is possible to prevent folks from certain actions if they have enemies).
Read more: rokuganee.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=news&action=display&thread=535&page=1#ixzz1G4T4BZJY
This could easily have been mistaken as being an IC statement as you referred to your character in the first person, as if he was speaking for himself. I know when I read it the first time I thought it was IC. Thereby, the devs perhaps would not consider their newest update as metagaming.
More importantly however, I hope that you do not take this as proof that metagaming is condoned by the staff. Players should not metagame. Period. Just because Jay acknowledged the discussion on the boards does not mean he thinks we should all metagame. Lets just make that point clear right now.
If you are not sure if something is in-game or not, just ask. Is that so difficult? I am in character more polite than I am normally (when a Crane plays rants about something it is surely out of character). And I thought it's not necessary to make every post in the news section as OOC when all my posts there are OOC.
I think I have to start a new threat just about metagaming, because many of you have a clear misconception what it is and where the true problems are with metagaming and why metagaming happens all the time in every gaming group (social gaming would not be possible without it).
And definitely not the place to make this discussion, Kenshi. It's already being resolved in an official manner. Stop bringing it up in random threads. I was just using it as one of the most recent examples of forum + game connectivity. You're just trying to start up a Metagame discussion again. Senshi, don't stoke the fire. First warning for you. Last warning for you, Kenshi. You guys have way similar names. Just sayin'.
Kenshi :: Warned
Warned? Was wondering how soon that will happen here... Somehow I don't think warnings (or banning or many other things admins and mods can do) are useful. The only thing to resolve problems is by talking about them. By the way, so my first warning is also my last warning? What will happen after that, you ban me, because I think that one of your forum rules is just stupid? You ban me because I point out what things are metagaming in various threads, because you fail to see what metagaming is? Actually that is just the admin/mod behaviour that gets me banned from time to time on forums (yes, I got banned from some forums in the past and am sure it will happen in the future too). It feels like you warning me just because you don't want to face that one of your forum rules is worded in a way that makes no sense at all (I know metagaming can be used in ways that spoils the fun for players, but that doesn't mean that metagaming is in general a bad thing, more on this in a separate thread coming soon)...
Sorry that I don't take your words as laws, and still see not how this was resolved other than you forbid talking in another thread about it (suppressing is not resolving). I asked you in a PM about starting a thread just to discuss metagaming there and I did not started it because of your concerns, but since I see that not talking about it makes things just worse I have to start a thread about it.