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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Mar 8, 2011 10:41:11 GMT -5
Ahahahahahahahaha! Ok, Jay - and what IF I have both sworn enemies? No job for me then?
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Post by Bayushi Matashi on Mar 8, 2011 11:26:26 GMT -5
I am in the same boat as kasumi. Also, I should be able to aid the ninja infiltrator... After all, I did allegedly put the alleged ninja infiltrator in the unicorn house of moto.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Mar 8, 2011 11:52:40 GMT -5
As a note - I do not think there is a way to get Ox favors as you can no longer pay respects to the Ox Daimyo?
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Post by Togashi Hitomi on Mar 8, 2011 12:35:25 GMT -5
@jay: I too hope you change the requirements as I want to support Kenshi. Can't you just encode "invisible" mastery drops for both the opposed actions that players don't even notice? And everyone who has the mastery drop for action A is barred from performing action B and vice versa. This way nobody is able to master both actions.
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Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 8, 2011 13:14:26 GMT -5
@jay: I too hope you change the requirements as I want to support Kenshi. Can't you just encode "invisible" mastery drops for both the opposed actions that players don't even notice? And everyone who has the mastery drop for action A is barred from performing action B and vice versa. This way nobody is able to master both actions. Thanks for your will to support me. But more important, I really think that's a great idea with the invisible mastery drops to prevent voting on both sides!
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Mar 8, 2011 13:49:36 GMT -5
I think it's perfect the way it is. If you have a major enemy in Kaneka or the Crane Clan, you can't support that side. If you major an enemy like that, it's hard to get around. It's one thing for allies, but another all together for enemies. Sworn Enemies are kind of important.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Mar 8, 2011 13:55:11 GMT -5
My suggestion then, upon careful consideration, would be to add missions that deal with the sworn enemies. Similar to how we have missions to remove Taint, Infamy, Glory, and Honor. Could there not be a way to remove sworn enemies? If not then I don't mind, I like it the way it is!
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Post by Mirumoto Asano on Mar 8, 2011 14:00:57 GMT -5
Well, in my opinion it's not "perfect" at all. If you have sworn enemy that is one concrete person - for example Kaneka - it's understandable that you cannot do missions that require his trust, but with sworn enemy that is general in description - like crane sworn enemy - it's strange that you can't do missions for that clan (even if you have allies in that clan), it's like the whole clan is your enemy. It just doesn't make sense. For me at least.
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Post by tadakasan on Mar 8, 2011 14:09:13 GMT -5
Already made my suggestion in the questions section, since there seem to be 3 discussions on the issue at least.
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Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 8, 2011 14:32:25 GMT -5
Already made my suggestion in the questions section, since there seem to be 3 discussions on the issue at least. Answered you there...
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Matsu Kaito
Lion Clan
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Post by Matsu Kaito on Mar 10, 2011 10:57:08 GMT -5
My suggestion then, upon careful consideration, would be to add missions that deal with the sworn enemies. Similar to how we have missions to remove Taint, Infamy, Glory, and Honor. Could there not be a way to remove sworn enemies? If not then I don't mind, I like it the way it is! I would really support this idea. Of course I wouldn't mean it would be easy to get rid of an enemy, but maybe a longer mission for his/her favor could solve the problem between the two of "us". I'd like to mention I really llike the idea that there are consequences of our choices - unforunately I was too curious to find out the drop of both actions
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Moto Yoee
Spider Clan
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Post by Moto Yoee on Mar 10, 2011 14:04:37 GMT -5
As a note - I do not think there is a way to get Ox favors as you can no longer pay respects to the Ox Daimyo? Battling guys in black pajamas grants you Ox favors.
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Kakita Shinji
Crane Clan
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Post by Kakita Shinji on Mar 10, 2011 16:48:17 GMT -5
Ahahahahahahahaha! Ok, Jay - and what IF I have both sworn enemies? No job for me then? Welcome to the club. And since new jobs spam Kaneka Favors, I'm expecting snowball effect - there will be action that uses them and gives goodies that we won't get.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Mar 11, 2011 12:33:12 GMT -5
...Quite frankly I have problems with this on both a roleplay side and a general gaming side. On the roleplay side, as it's been said before, some random putz is your sworn enemy and somehow he can get his entire clan to lock you out, even if you have more allies. Also the way the enemies have dropped, simply for speaking against a viewpoint they have is oddly harsh. The only way to avoid enemies in this game as it goes on will to be either never pick a position or always pick the same clans position. People should be able to support a clan in one decision and not support them on another without becoming sworn enemies for life. On the gaming side you're locking people out of actions that appear to have game changing consequences, such as votes. Not to mention no one is told the results of doing certain actions ahead of time and some of them such as the mentioning reservations are not phrased in a way that makes you think you're going to get an exclusionary drop from doing it.
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Post by Agasha Miga on Mar 11, 2011 19:13:48 GMT -5
Another suggestion: Is it possible to have the skill requirement a variable depending on the ennemy/allies you have in the clan concerned? A political action, in general, will be much easier if you have allies and harder if you have rivals. So there could be a balance where people with a lot of ennemies can still succeed in the missions, but at a price of much better mastery level.
The best you are in your speciality, the harder it is to completely ignore you, even if you're not the yes-man type.
Hope that will help.
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