Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 21, 2011 20:58:21 GMT -5
*grins widely* Why thank you Senshi-sama.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jun 21, 2011 20:59:52 GMT -5
The Monkey is enjoying the dance. I'm sorry you forgot me during the talk of burning that foul fortress when you spoke of home, Spider-chan. Perhaps when my ono lops off your head you'll remember me. I still have that puppy if you want to surrender.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Jun 21, 2011 21:03:44 GMT -5
I find it worrisome that the Kitsuki Daimyo, one of the leading magistrates in the empire, would push for such a repugnant precadence. You argue that not only is it acceptable to rebel against a lord you disagree with, but that is actually a samurai's duty to do so. That the entire empire has forgotten the lessons of Bushido makes this crab's heart break. I know such pleas will fall upon deaf ears, so I would ask you three questions;
1. Why pay the so-called spider any heed? Their aim is to put Daigotsu upon the throne. Whatever choice they make, will be for the purpose of fanning the flames of mistrust and war. A civil war between the Shogun and empire will weaken the empire and the countless dead from such a conflict would only make them stronger.
2. Their is zero evidence the emperor sent assasins after Kaneka and Sezaru. Even considering the animosity with which the Shogun and Emperor hold each other, why would Naseru seek to kill Sezaru. What would the Emperor gain from killing his brothers with NON-SCORPIAN assassins that would not be easier gained from simply asking for their heads. This is beside the fact that the Emperor maintains he sent no such assassins.
3. As for Kaneka himself, why choose this time to plunge the empire into war? A Plauge ravages the south and those who fall to it rise as undead. Bloodspeaker activity vexes nearly every clan, with the north heavily infested.The Yobanjin horde was defeated at Mountain Watch keep, but their army is still very much intact and waiting on the northern steps. If he marched on Toshi Ranbo, the Yobanjin would be unopposed. Even if the rest of his treason made sense, why not wait untill the Yobanjin threat was ended.
I did not believe Kaneka would be capable of such perfidity. In fact, I still don't. You have expressed the opinion that the Emperor has been tainted. But Kaneka is and has been much more exposed to the forces that could taint, corrupt, and or Replace him. The only gain at this time to start these fights would be too the enemies of the empire. We are already at each others throats over this. Please, step back. Look at this logically.
(Edit; some spelling)
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Post by Shoju on Jun 21, 2011 21:09:39 GMT -5
You are off on one point Yasuki-san.
We seek no such thing as to supplant our lord upon the throne. Of this, I promise you. We seek not to fan the flames of Civil War. We seek a quick and swift end to this conflict. We side with the same people we sought an Armistice with.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Jun 21, 2011 21:19:44 GMT -5
Not really. You and yours are hated and shunned throughout the empire. The Emperor decries your existance. With respect, on this matter you have no voice that the empire will hear. And your vocal support has had the opposite effect you profess, as it has gathered Kaneka more more supporters from those who wish only to oppose the spider.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 21, 2011 21:21:10 GMT -5
If I might add to the most esteemed Yasuki daimyo's words to the Kitsuki daimyo, and I would like to extend it all the Dragon supporting the Shogun.
Did we not at our last clan meeting reach a consensus that we would investigate first the truth about the assassination attempts first before acting? But now, in the instant that Kaneka started this civil war, you join him without a moment's hesitation. Is this the new Kitsuki method? Did all that talk about evidence, loyalty and honor just vanish?
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 21, 2011 21:29:39 GMT -5
Yes, Yasuki san, heed the words of your new ally and counsel. And get used to it should Hantei win. Look at the future of your empire, weak, corrupted, perhaps even honorable if you follow Shuido or whatever it is Daigotsu calls it.
Look at the future of my empire, and you will see one with strength, one that can defeat all threats and purge our lands of the ever growing taint. As ever I will remain vigilant.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 21, 2011 21:49:15 GMT -5
OOC: I'm going to reply to the Spider siding with the Emperor stuff ooc since this is what I personally feel about the matter.
The Spider siding with the Emperor should not influence the decision-making of true loyal servants of the Emperor. This instance is just like in the real canon L5R. The Spider are helping against the Destroyers, in the war against Kali-Ma. In more than one occasion, samurai have worked hand-in-hand with the Spider in fighting. Does this mean that those samurai are evil or corrupt as well? No, they still just do what is required of them, which is serving the Empress and the Empire.
Does this mean we are suddenly advocates of the Spider and are best friends with them? No. The Spider will be dealt with in due time. For now, the imminent threat is Kaneka and his rebellion. Most of us non-Spider support Naseru because it is what we believe is right and just, the fact that the Spider are there as well does not matter. It is our own sense of honor that dictates us on what we must do.
Also, there is no proof that the Spider are directly speaking to the Emperor. They're in the field defending, doing there own stuff. Loyal samurai would be guarding the Emperor 24/7 in close quarters.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Jun 21, 2011 21:50:48 GMT -5
I see your empire filled with treachery, Senshi-san. You support a usurper and cast baseless accusations at those who are not yet enemies. I would stop this war before it begins but, failing that, I will cast down those who would threaten the Son of Heaven.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 21, 2011 22:38:37 GMT -5
treachery... hmmm, it will remind me then of my days growing up back home. The calm comforting embrace of my mother with a dagger behind her back. That said I accuse only the spider and the Kakita who dares to judge the actions of a champion. All rest are entitled to their choice, and as I have said I honor the choice they made. But we agree, were there a way to prevent this war I would have it but (ooc: jay hasn't given us an action to maintain the status quo, only the choice of who to support. So I must come up with a good IC reason to support Kaneka, and I think I have at least justified my characters beliefs and actions.) war cannot be prevented.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Jun 21, 2011 22:50:50 GMT -5
OOC: I must admit, even without supporting Naseru being the Honorable choice.... I hate Kaneka. The entire Four winds arc was annoying. I Supported Tsudao first, Nasaru second. Kaneka always rubbed me the wrong way, so I am happy to oppose him here.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Jun 21, 2011 23:11:05 GMT -5
Did we not at our last clan meeting reach a consensus that we would investigate first the truth about the assassination attempts first before acting? But now, in the instant that Kaneka started this civil war, you join him without a moment's hesitation. Is this the new Kitsuki method? Did all that talk about evidence, loyalty and honor just vanish? Indeed we did, Tamori-san. However, events accelerated to a point which demanded immediate action - history does not always await the results of investigation or mediation. A samurai lives his life in such a way that, when the time comes, he acts correctly without thought - the "function" of honor, if you will.
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
Posts: 418
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Post by Alesha on Jun 22, 2011 2:50:54 GMT -5
I'll say nothing. My actions speak for me. And they speak one word - treason. I would like to repeat one simple truth, there is no choice in the matter, to think one can choose between Emperor's command and treason? Though perhaps a scorpion would as its not the first time they turn their hand on rightful Emperor. Anyone who would dare presume Crane Champion-dono would not follow Emperor's command levies insult on the Crane clan. And insults will not be tolerated. You call me nobody, but words of a traitor are but sand in the wind.
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Post by Akodo Tsanuri on Jun 22, 2011 2:56:44 GMT -5
I am not Dragon and not Kitsuki. I don't base on evidence while making my decisions. Kaneka-sama said there were assasinate attempts on his head. It's the first time I hear about Emperor answer. And by all means it's too late. Right, I was fighting, but also I visited many castles and haven't heard of His words earlier. It's obvious that this matter is important, what to think about?
You ask why Kaneka-sama decided to attack now. I don't know his thoughts so I can speak only for what I think. There were attempts to kill him. The Yobanjin thread is for now averted. With huge help of the Asahina family we found a cure for the disease. We are embracing the situation. Killing last bits of yobanjin army can take weeks the same as curing last sick. I will ask why not now? And if not now, when? After a month or two? New assasins will have plenty of time.
As to why not Scorpions, maybe the Emperor don't trust his loyal servants.
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
Posts: 418
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Post by Alesha on Jun 22, 2011 2:58:25 GMT -5
Kakita sama: It is not his lack of leading from the front that I detest, but that it took weeks to respond at all. Had the Yobanjin been samurai rather than inferior gaijin animals the Empire might have been over run. The Shogun should not ever had been in the position to require unilateral action in the first place. The Emperor should have acted first. Emperor did send Emerald Champion to Mountain Watch Keep. Not Kaneka. It is not your place to give opinion on timing, only to serve.
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