Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Jun 24, 2011 12:37:24 GMT -5
The screams of your daisho must be really tough on your focus during battle ;>.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 24, 2011 12:51:22 GMT -5
Nah, Its pretty soothing.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jun 24, 2011 13:41:17 GMT -5
Sounds like a bit of a nag to me "BLOOD NEED MORE BLOOD!" "Again, really? I just gave you some yesterday, what did you do with it?" "I BATHED! I NEED MORE BLO-" "More blood, yeah. My mother always said I should have learned yarijutsu but no. Now I'm stuck with you.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 24, 2011 13:44:25 GMT -5
It's more like:
"Guy behind you. I'm thirsty"
*STAB!*
"Refreshing. Guy to your left, gonna gut ya!"
*SLICE!*
"A little fatty, but still good. get this punk in front of you!"
*CLEAVE!*
"Thanks, I'm full."
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Jun 24, 2011 21:27:14 GMT -5
An older samurai with graying hair, tired expression, and many scars enters the room to add to the conversation:
As a lion, i find it rather disgusting everyone's presumption to claim how the lion should act. When discussing paper crane folding, i do not tell the artisan long he should make his folds. When discussing with a shugenja the best way to please the kami, i do not tell him he speaks too loudly or too boldly.
In my retirement, I have spoken and studied with many Ikoma. What I have come to find about the history of Rokugan, is that almost any precedent outside of sheer unremitting cowardice can be accepted as bushido. There are many precedents that fit any one of the tenents of Bushido that have been exclaimed as cowardice.
Since the beginning of the Empire, we have upheld the Empire's best interests. While in the past the emperor's decisions and the needs of the empire were one. There have been many times that this has not been so. In the time of the Gozaku Alliance, it was the Crane, Phoenix, and Scorpion who used the failings of one mortal samurai to put their own interests above those of the empire. The imperial family was married off to the Crab and the Lion in order placate them. Rather than kowtow to acts of sheer selfishness, the Lion trained its new found daughter to reclaim the throne from one who did not act in the true interests of the empire. We asked a descendent of the royal line to committ treason against her brother, the acting emperor for the needs of the empire. Since then we have been hailed as heroes and this act is taken into account when many describe the Lion as paragons of Bushido. When another clan cannot hold its territory, we take it in order to provide for the security and stability of the empire. We do many things against the Emperor's wishes and have done so for centuries yet we are continually hailed as the keepers of bushido.
All individuals who have their place on the celestial scale can fall from grace. While Fu-Leng was once a Kami worthy of great respect his fall into Jigoku tainted him and made him the lowliest of evils. It was his selfishness that brought him low. In the same manner there are those who can raise their station, as toturi did when he destroyed Hantei XXXIX. His humbleness, attention to his personal code of bushido, and desire to maintain the empires interests raised him high. I support my champion, who calls for Kaneka to lead for he feels that Kaneka will bring what is right for the empire. I cannot and will not presume to know what the crane or other clans think, but i do know that so far almost all of the lion are united on this issue. There is no need for us to rgue amongst ourselves for we have already one purpose... to support our brother kaneka. When it comes down to it, each samurai must make his choice and must follow the tenents of bushido he deems best for his philosophy and way of life. Let us choose and hopefully peace will blossom, but it seems our bickering brings war. I do not celebrate the chance to kill any of my fellow rokugani, i respect all of you as cousins but in the pursuit of bushido each samurai must do what his way of bushido dictates. If killing others is necessary then I will as I expect others to do for their own code of bushido.
The only ones not deserving of this right are the spider, no matter how good their intentions may be. A tainted crab may not fight with the other crab as a tainted spider may not fight with the empire. The spider deserve our respect if they attempt to retain some sense of honor, though the only honor they may ever hope to obtain is by their own destruction without bringing down the rest of those they wish to uplift. And barring an ability to do that, they should sacrifice themselves upon waves of the empires indisputable enemies such as the yobanjin or oni.
I respect you my cousins and brothers and sisters. Maybe one day our empire will work in perfect harmony, but alas today is not that day. As for those who ask for pure action without thought, do not dismiss them as they are the most dangerous kind of fool. Consider your opponents position, take it seriously. We are all samurai (unless you're not in which case we spit on you XD) and we all deserve that respect.
OOC: There are somethings i wish to get across here. Mainly we all have our own interpretations of what is come here and while calling each others names is fun in character there are times we must respect each other as roleplayers. Unless you're straight up rokugani (like from the land of rokugan) no one can really say what rokugani societies true reaction would be [unless you grew up in feudal japan - i dont think thats any of us]. We often presume to know how any one clan would act but all we have are our personal interpretations. There are some thematic ceremonies we must keep in mind as roleplayers, but there will be somethings we as western roleplaying nerds will never get exactly right and therefore none of us can decry another as having the wrong interpretation out of character. In short, get over yourself let everyone play their character the way they want
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Kitsu Natsuki
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Daimyo * Shugenja * Sodan-senzo * Loyal * Ambassador to the Dragon
Posts: 162
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Post by Kitsu Natsuki on Jun 26, 2011 17:11:14 GMT -5
A young shugenja, his hair and mon marking him as one of the Kitsu, enters the room. If anyone asks, he will give them the following information. "The Kitsu daimyo has retreated to the Kitsu Tombs to commune with the honoured ancestors in this time of turmoil and trouble. The mandate of heaven is not to be taken lightly, and there is still much uncertainty in the air. However, the position of the Lion clan is to support Toturi III, eldest son of the Splendid Emperor, and she will give her wholehearted support."
OOC: RL has swallowed me up completely for the past 2 months, and will probably do so till August as well. Going on 6 week field trips into the Costa Rican rainforest tends to do that. I may have sporadic internet access, but I doubt I'll be able to sway the outcome here much. So, play nice, and I'll be back when I can to see how this turns out!
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Post by Agasha Miga on Jun 30, 2011 20:46:53 GMT -5
The Phoenix Elemental Council, after a long debate, have come with a consensus about Kaneka's claiming of the throne. I, Agasha Miga, Elemental Master of Fire, have been chosen to announce our official position to the other clans.
The Council officially supports the Emperor Hantei the 40th in the conflict opposing him to Kaneka.
We do not deny the lineage nor the war successes of the Shogun. He desserves our respect for the victory against the Yobanjin and the many lifes of Rokugan people he saved by acting quickly to defend the Empire.
Despite this, we do not support his claim for the rulership of Rokugan. To our judgement, there is no evidence that proves the Emperor is inapt to assume his position, would it be Taint or madness. There is no proof either the Emperor commanded the assassination attempts that targetted Kaneka and Isawa Sezaru. As guardians of the tradition, we truly believe Hantei the 40th to be the legitimate Emperor of Rokugan and we reaffirm our loyalty to the Son of Heavens.
We are deeply concerned that Kaneka's claim arrives at a moment when Rokugan is still fragile. The Yobanjin have been driven away Mountain Watch Keep, but they are still stationned in the Northern Steppes, ready to strike again. Also, Shadowland activity have increased dramatically throughout the Empire. Bloodspeakers and tainted sites are appearing, we are still weakened by the plague and the black tower that rose in the Shadowlands is no good sign at all.
This said, we hope that all the clans will restrain themselves from rushing headlong in a bloody struggle where many good samurai would die. No matter who each one is supporting, this is a time to stay alert for any other threat that would use this dark momentum to strike at us all. Until we find a pacific way to solve this crisis, if possible, our inquisitors will continue to search for any clue that would confirm the action on the sly of a third party in these events.
We will work as best as we can to prevent unnecessary loss of life in this conflict, but if we are drawn in a battle, be assured the Phoenix will defend its honor with all its might.
Also, we will provide help to the samurai who have to part from their clan by honor because they want to stay loyal to Hantei the 40th. We will seek shelter for them and advise the Emerald Champion to regroup them in a special legion so they can stand with honor to defend their Emperor.
Finally, our renewed pledge to the Emperor does not mean we are teaming up with the Spider tribe, the only other faction to support the Emperor up to now. They surely have their reasons to defend Hantei the 40th, but we deplore that their position heightens the turmoil of all this situation and may bring other loyal samurais to turn away from their Emperor in contempt.
This is the position of the Phoenix Clan. We pray for the sake of Rokugan. May the Kami bless Hantei the 40th and prevent us from any inconsiderate action.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jul 2, 2011 9:17:41 GMT -5
You will get all the Clan betrayers together into one Legion so they can fight their former brothers and sisters? Truly the Phoenix are the most honourable Clan
At least you admit that the Empire has become a darker place under the rulership of Hantei. Why you still choose to defend his ineptness is becoming beyond me
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jul 2, 2011 9:56:46 GMT -5
There you go again Yuusha-chan spreading your lies and spinning the truth. Miga-sama has pointed quite well that the Emperor is not mad nor tainted. Since Hantei XL's ascension to the throne, the Empire has had years of peace. This darkness you talk of only started with your honor-less Shogun. He is an opportunistic traitor who is unworthy of the Emperor's faith which was previously placed on him. And who is to say that Kaneka was not behind this Yobanjin attack in the first place? We've all done our own investigations on the matter, and it points to a Rokugani noble belonging to the Phoenix Clan. And who has previously sworn fealty to the Phoenix Clan? Kaneka! You refuse to bring up details that would hurt your cause, and instead you focus on destroying the credibility of the Righteous Emperor. How the Kitsuki method has fallen...
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jul 2, 2011 10:26:39 GMT -5
ooc: Some clarifications, in our time setting Kaneka has not yet sworn fealty to the Phoenix, that happens after Kaneka marches against Naseru in Toshi Ranbo. Also we only know so far that the rokugani nobleman is just that. A Rokugani nobleman. No clan or affiliations known. I would be careful not to insult the honor of the only taintless allies Koichi has, dude. That arguement after Miga's statement just looks bad :/
I recommend everyone read the links provided in general discussion by Shosuro Aroru. 8)
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jul 2, 2011 10:48:10 GMT -5
Sorry, quick question... "i would be careful not to insult the honor of the only taintless allies Koichi has, dude" - is that directed at me or Koichi? Your reply looks like it's more directed at Koichi but including Koichi in that sentence made me think it was me. So... I am confused. Why can't I imply a lack of honor in Koichi's allies again? @ Koichi - I'm just keeping the argument going . I am not focusing on destryoing the credibility of Hantei though. Oh no. Not at all. I am merely pointing out how he is destroying his credibility all by himself. Big difference. I hope he does formally accept the help of the Spider. That'd cement things nicely! Finally, this isn't the Kitsuki method. It's the Yuusha-in-your-face method of courtly rowing. ROW ROW fight da powa!
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
Posts: 180
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Jul 2, 2011 11:10:34 GMT -5
You will get all the Clan betrayers together into one Legion so they can fight their former brothers and sisters? "Clan betrayers"? I should choose my words more carefully if I were you, Kitsuki-san. I will not rise to your provocation, for that would bring closer the chaos your actions are already encouraging. I cannot say the same for my mother, however, who keeps a scroll containing the names of all those who have impugned my honour. I fear your name has just been added to that list.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jul 2, 2011 11:43:06 GMT -5
Sorry, since when was it not Clan betraying for a retainer to not follow the order of your Lord and act as your Clan commands? I suppose they aren't Clan betrayers if their Lords allow them to choose on the matter, as we Dragon have. Even so, it is hard to imagine that fighting one's brothers and sisters is not taking this too far and an act of betrayal against them. I choose my words very carefully thank you Shagi. They are designed to be provacative. Both against my enemies and in thought. Perhaps they will provoke you to rethink your opposition to Setsuro-sama, when he has the interests of your whole Clan, its founding promises and the Empire in mind? Or are you calling his decision misguided and wrong? If so, that is most rude of you. Perhaps you should choose your implications underlying your actions and words more carefully Hiruma-kun? A shame also that your mother, in her old age, much commit such small things to writing. To have one's memory be inadequate for the task. Truly a great tragedy. I will send her additional brushes so she may write more. Perhaps she will write honor and duty in other scrolls, so she does not forget them. We hang them on our walls here in Dragon lands, but only for the sake of our students. Of course, inside and outside of our lands, we remember them at all times for they are so important to us ooc: Pushing for a fight ^_- I'm catty today
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
Posts: 180
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Jul 2, 2011 12:05:54 GMT -5
My mother is only a little past forty and has no problems with her memory. If you carry on with your intemperate words, I doubt you will live to see how good your memory is at that age. One day you will insult the wrong person and given the intemperance of your words, I feel it will be sooner rather than later.
Why do you desire conflict? Whose agenda does that desire serve? Who gains by your eagerness for battle? I do not know the answers to those questions. I hope you learn the answers before it is to late.
OOC: there's a 45-year old Samurai-ko gunning for you Yuusha!
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jul 2, 2011 13:38:44 GMT -5
((OOC: Hate to disagree with you, Senshi, but according to the L5R wiki link, in the original timeline, Kaneka and Sezaru both joined the Phoenix clan right after Naseru proclaimed himself Toturi III (Hantei XL in our case.) This happened when Kaneka was named Shogun in 1160, 4 years before the start of the game.
Also, Koichi, the rumor says that a "Rokugani Noble" has been involved with Taldor, the new Yobanjin tribe chief. The rumors say NOTHING about him being from the Phoenix clan.
That is all. Resume the pointless bickering. ;D))
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