Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 30, 2011 12:42:27 GMT -5
Ohh, girlie squee. I love talking about bushido. For one, it's up to each samurai to interpret it. There is no "True Way" to see Bushido. I favor compassion above all others. Caring for those beneath me in the Celestial Order. Some Clans traditionally favor one above the others, and some samurai see one as paramount in their lives.
Personally, I hate the war. I want it over. If Hantei would just admit that he failed protecting the Empire, and offered to reconcile with Toturi, perhaps having a tournament to decide who is best for the Empire, and leave us out of it, I'd throw my weight behind that. My tiny, tiny, weight.
Duty is funny. We've all asked ourselves about it. I made my choice based on the Empire. There is where my true Duty lies. The Empire as a whole, not a man. Because, in game, Hirotomo lost faith in the Divinity of the Emperor. Perhaps because the true rulers, the Hantei are gone.
Toku did not weigh in during the 4 Winds saga, Kenpachi rallied to The Sword, but she is no more. So we are left with 2. I admire the Hantei for his actions to end the threat of the Lying Darkness. He saved the Empire. Then he allowed it to weaken. Gaijin aside, the Shadowlands creep in, the Bloodspeakers grow in number, crime is on the rise, cats and dogs living together, total chaos.
I don't like the war as Hirotomo or me. For one, I don't like actions that polarize a playing base. That's just me though. Reconstruction will be a long hard road, no matter who wins. Whatever Emperor sits on the Throne, we're all going to have to live with each other when it's over.
As for weakening the Empire by our actions, I say look to bonsai. Sometimes we have to carefully prune the tree in order for it to flourish. I'm doing this because it's my duty to protect the people of the Empire. Since there is no divine path, I'm siding with the man I think is better, bastard or no, he's the better man. If the heavens come down and declare something else, I'll follow them, but they are silent. The wars of men hold no interest to them apparently.
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Post by Asahina Yuuto on Aug 30, 2011 23:45:44 GMT -5
People are not twigs to be removed when you feel everything is not growing towards your perfection. I think you might be singing a different tune if we were discussing the need to prune a minor clan or two.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 30, 2011 23:52:15 GMT -5
Death is not bad. As long as it is honorable. We're all ready to die for our lords, otherwise we would not be samurai. If samurai must die to strengthen the Empire, that is our duty, and it is an honor. If the sacrifice of me, my family, and my clan, strengthen the Empire, than a fair and just trade it is.
As individuals, we are nothing. We are the offspring of our ancestors, and the progenitors of our respective legacies. Life is nothing compared to the continuance of the Empire.
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Post by Asahina Yuuto on Aug 31, 2011 0:54:37 GMT -5
Death may not be bad according to an individual code of philosophy, but that is a much different thing than the economic, political, and social forces that compose an Empire.
Do not fool yourself into thinking that anything you now fault of the current Emperor will be "solved" by pruning the population in a Civil War.
You will be setting future precedent though, and that can be a dangerous thing for people who depend on archaic protections in the law.
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Toku Hirotomo
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Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 31, 2011 2:10:06 GMT -5
Death is part of all of our philosophy. We gather in Medio to await our fate, then if we are finished, we are granted Yomi, or we go back to be reborn, or we get punished in Gakido. Once the heavens finally chose to speak, then all will be well. Death is never bad, we'll just be reborn or given Yomi's grace. I expect the Yomi guards to swell with the warriors paramount on both sides sacrificing themselves. It is as our Emperor commands it.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Aug 31, 2011 4:53:44 GMT -5
He isn't referring to pruning the population. He is referring to pruning the Empire as a whole to free it of corrupt or negative elements that are endangering it. Am I right Hirotomo?
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Post by Asahina Yuuto on Aug 31, 2011 6:18:02 GMT -5
There are a lot of things in the philosophy. The problem is, if everyone is picking and choosing what to emphasize in that "common philosophy" (as you have argued exhaustively), it really does not make for any valid argument one way or the other as to what we choose to do in this war.
Marching an army to the seat of the Empire in order to save it is tantamount to pruning the population. You can grandize and make it into a pretty thing that samurai do, but that is a personal individual justification that has a pesky externality of involving a lot of people who do not share the same view. You are free to do it, but you should have to shoulder the consequences of that responsibility.
Maybe the Empire does need to be pruned, but if the shadowlands do not recede, and the bloodseekers do not magically dissapear, and the corruption does not immediately end with your solution - should your side win - well, I'll leave you to think about what the next step should be to remedy such a reality.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Aug 31, 2011 7:53:22 GMT -5
Mmm you'd like to prune us in other words, hypocritical...
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Post by Mirumoto Asano on Aug 31, 2011 8:41:49 GMT -5
Do you guys have to really do this AGAIN in HERE, can't you discuss this AGAIN in other thread maybe in DISCUSSION part of the forum!
Really this is going on and on in every thread in news section.
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Akodo Tomatsu
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Aug 31, 2011 10:42:00 GMT -5
People may choose to roleplay in the news threads. If you don't want to read it, know that the first post is all the pertinent information, and you do not need to read any further. If you do not enjoy reading the roleplaying, you don't have to read it, much the same way that those who wish to roleplay may be allowed to do so.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 31, 2011 12:20:05 GMT -5
Yes, Yuushahime-san. I was speaking that negative elements must be purged. And, I know the Empire will not be magical healed if we succeed, Asahina-san. It will be one step closer though. I know this is frightening, but poor Emperors have been dealt with before, like the Steel Chrysanthemum. However, we have one that barely is seen, and lets the Empire rot, Otomo that allow us to band together to attack, Miya that do not give the proper notification, and a Voice of the Emperor that is silent.
Now if I am wrong, and the Hantei is spending all him time in private combating the Lying Darkness, or wrestling with Ichiban, I'll be the first to bow my head, and beg to cleanse my shame with steel, until that time, everybody dance now!
I mean come on, for all we know he's getting intimate with the Utaku steed he was gifted. There has been very few reclusive Emperors, and he's the most reclusive of them all. We all know this is IC OOC goodness. If anyone calls me to account for my news threads postings, (Unless I stepped out of line and a mod had to smack me) I'll look at em like a confused dog. Josh is saying this not Hirotomo.
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 31, 2011 16:58:48 GMT -5
Y'know what!? All this talk about "pruning" this and that reminded me of PRUNE FACE!!! www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3iBO4Yp4QEWHEN THE FACE IS A PRUNE, THE ACTION GOES BOOM!!! PS.: Not trolling, its just hella funny
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Akodo Tomatsu
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Aug 31, 2011 17:02:16 GMT -5
Oh Manji, Senshi and I have a special place in our hearts for Prune Face.
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Post by Mirumoto Asano on Aug 31, 2011 17:10:13 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind roleplaying in this section, but it is a little irritating to read the same arguments in every thread for over a month. I really like reading "reactions" of players and their characters to new events, clashes of mindsets and philosophy.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 31, 2011 17:15:13 GMT -5
I am not ashamed to admit I own him. Yes, I collect Starwars toys. Yes I'm a grown man and I know that unless there is a drastic shortage they will probably never be worth much. My 90's TMNT figures and Ghostbusters figures are worth more. Maybe I'll gift them to my son, or TFT when I get old. I'm old enough to say toys today suck compared to my childhood.
Also: Get off my lawn!
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