V:tM/DA L5R Crossover!? Viewpoints.

[Zeure]

So, the discussion came up today about having an offshoot/joke thread where we did a Vampire: the Masquerade Dark Ages L5R mashup kind of thing. It occurred to us that some people have differing view points on what each clan might be represented as.

So, the question becomes, my wonderful readers, if you had to compare the clans of Dark Ages V:tM to the clans or families of L5R, where do you see similarities and why?

For reference, a listing of the vampire clans may be found HERE With the notable addition of the dark ages bloodlines which may be found further down on that same page HERE and HERE. If you need more information about each clan to make your determination, I would suggest going HERE.

Also, who would be interested in this roleplay?

[Hida Joji]

Rokugan by night?

Crane are Toreador, Lion are Brujah, Phoenix are Tremere and ran out of obvious ones... and even then how about Dragon are Tremere? Blood of the "founder" beeing passed down as tatoos sounds a lot like old school Tremere disadvantage.

Anyway, Sounds like a cool idea.

[Utaku Kasumi]

I would be more than just interested

And here are some of my thoughts about clan:clan connections for both settings.

Clans:

Brujah - Crab
They are brutes, they love to fight. They act first.

Malkavian -
I wonder... Spiders?

Nosferatu -
I'd say... maybe that Scorpion family that is "working" for Lying Darkness? Just as them... Nosferatu can have "no face" at some point... or many of them. They are awesome as spies, they hide in the shadows and do a lot of "dirty work".

Toreador - Crane
No doubt here. They love art, they love poetry, they can stare at something they think is beautiful for hours. They enjoy things that any other person would just ignore. And they are like courtiers, they shine in the Elyssiums the most (and parties )

Tremere -
Here, I'd say most of Shugenja would fit here, as Tremere clan were mages first that wanted to be immortal (and here put the whole story with Tzimisce vampires being captured... changing from humans to vampires, Saulot, real Tremere being in that mirror prison etc). But then again... them having fun with blood magic - that would go for a Spider shugenja... I think.

Lasombra -
Something between Dragon, Phoenix... and Spider I think.

Old Clan Tzimisce -
Here, I'd say Spider shugenja again. They play with a load of s**ty magic Ways of Earth, Fire, Water, Air and Spirit. Their paths... They are so darn inhuman And high levels of Koldunic magic rituals just smash everything around, especially with their Way of Sorrow. And there is also their connection to their homeland...

Assamite -
Here, I'd say that Scorpion family with Lying Darkness again. You know, ninja and stuff.

Gangrel - Unicorn
Ok, this might be controvesial... but I really think that way.
Gangrels are wild, free. They prefer animals over humans or other vampires. They have a special connection with them, they can communicate with them. They are better in the fields/forests than in the cities. They give a darn about the whole etiquette thing. I think they are somehow... a mix of a gajin blood in the vampire society

Ravnos -
That would be some gajin people and their mages. I think. Or maybe Mantis?

Ventrue -
I am torn between Lion and Crane clans here. All that c**p with royal blood... being knights, holding power tightly... having their arses higher than their noses etc

Bloodlines:

Kiasyd - Dragon Clan
It's all because of their love for riddles/enigmas, knowledge and somehow being a book worms on one side. But on another - they (kiasyds) are having awesome warriors.
They are calm, composed... and stuff.

Anda - Moto family
Just as Sojiro said before, they match perfectly. Their nickname are "Tartars"

Lamia -
I'd really want to say... Utaku, but I can't... Matsu maybe?

If I think of something more... I'll update.


edit:
I like that "Rokugan by night" name

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

Interesting but I am not sure the two gel that well together. Still, nice diversion to have a read

[Bayushi Hiromitsu]

>.o Really guys? What's next? Marvel or DC Rokugan? X-samurai? Imperial Avengers?

When the 2nd edition mixed D&D with Legends, it felt more or less like a sin...

Ok, now to the topic. Do you guys remember that "Kindred of the East" thing, the Kuei-jin? That is very much more "mixable" with legends It was a WW random book about ANOTHER kind of monster that runs on a "magical fuel" and sometimes steal energy from mortals. Much like... everything they did?

I don't like much the idea of the poor Gaki left forgotten...

[Utaku Kasumi]

Hiromitsu, the thing is... to match West clans/bloodlines from DA with L5R clans.
There is no challenge with Kuej-jins Plus they are less vampiric than other vampires, come on
And no, "stealing energy" wasn't everything they've did They really kick arses in their own way I think.

[Bayushi Hiromitsu]

Everything that WW did.

Vampire, Runs on blood (and steals it from humans)
Changeling, Runs on Glamour (and steals it from humans)
Kuei-Jin, Runs on Chi (and steals it from humans)
Mage, Runs on quintessence (and CAN steal it from humans)
Werewolf, Runs on Rage and Gnosis.
Wraith, Runs on Corpus (wtf?)

I meant that every creature they did is like that.

But let's try to make a effort here... Assamite. Is there scorpion? is scorpion all about ninjas?
By the same token I can say that Assamites are Unicorns, after all, they both use scimitars now and then... Or that Ventrue is Mantis, Crane and Unicorn for the wealth...

Crab like to fight? really? reading about Hida-Kami he seamed the only one who could take the burden... He did not seemed like a psico who loves the smell of blood in his breakfast.

Anyway... >.o Its a difficult task, at best, in my opinion...

[Utaku Kasumi]

This is why Zeure is asking... how you see clans fitting clans, Hiromitsu
Clan can fit into a clan... or just one family. It depends on you how you see it

[Asahina Yukihime]

For some reason... this whole idea makes me feel like crying >.o


Brujah (the DA Brujah) => Lion
Ventrue+Toreador => Crane
Assamite =>Scorpion (Or may be a Lassombra, for they deserve a high clan, imo)
Tremere => Phoenix
Ravnos => Ronin
Gangrel => Crab (and Nezumi friends ) >.< (I just lost a trail point for writting this)
Malkavian => Dragon (but my understanding of Malkavians is not like the one I often see ppl playing. But even the default Malk fits for the Ize Zumi)
Follower of Set => Unicorn (just change the snaaaake for a horsey, pls)

Argh... just thinking of it gave me brain damage >.o

[Zeure]

Well, I can't run about the forums making Yukihime-chan cry. Whole things called off.










But, seriously, it is just a discussion. I'm not sure what, if anything, will actually happen RP-wise, I'm just fueling discussion at this point.

[quarim]

I think perhaps to keep from so much confusion perhaps it would be easier to break it up as what each family is like rather than each clan. The Akodo and Matsu are rather different; as well as the Moto and Utaku. Trying to define whole clans will be difficult and no one will agree on many.