12/29/2011: Castle of the Swift Sword

[Shosuro Aroru]

...I look at Silent Kill and Iaijutsu Duel and find that the "easy" drop rate of Fire Blossoms is just fine. As far as the numbers being different, Toshi Ronbo is the only battle there that's what I'd call equivalent to this one since it involved Hantei and this one involves Kaneka. After losing Toshi Ronbo I wouldn't be surprised that more Hantei players have been willing to put in the sacrifice of only spamming the one job to make sure of victory.

...Now, I do think that the easier drop is the reason why that job is spammed. I don't think the 19,202 clicks are solely attributable to it being an easier drop than other actions though. Besides, all those jobs you mentioned are within The Castle of the Swift Sword, so now you're achieving a better ratio of clicks within the battle to get items that you need.


...Thanks for the clarification Jay, I too hadn't thought of the actions that went away not counting anymore. It's always great when everyone knows what's going on.

[Yasuki Chad]

I hate to effectivally ask to be nerfed but Keisuke has an exellent point. Fire Blossems should be removed or require a battle plan or something in addition.

[Enishi]

Hmm, removing it completely seems a tad excessive, since it would also mean it doesn't count anymore. I don't think that's the intended goal. If things were supposed to stay that way, I'd probably admit to the additional battle plan on that action, but Jay has explicitly stated he intends to add a few more actions on the Toturi side. Not only will this give that side the intended action advantage, but these actions may require the same kind of easy drops. So before saying it should be nerfed, I'd wait for those new actions.

Aroru's also right on one thing, other Hantei actions require drops that are rarer than, say, light cavalry. You know

[Kitsuki Misaru]

As if you really need Battle Plans to throw bombs at your opponents (just joking)

I think that Arrival of the Unicorn that requires 1-2 Light Cavalry could be considered the equivalent to Fire Blossoms. I know I have tons of Light Cavalry that I have never used, because they are dropped in so many missions, and used in only one afaik, whereas I had to actively farm for them Elixirs.

By the way, aren't the Dragons supposed to have fine Archery units? I know I could put my Archers to good use in the Battle.

Thanks for the clarifications, Jay-sama.

[Tamori Manji]

Ahh yes, it's very easy. I suppose the weeks I've spent emeralding every single action available and the fact that the Fire Blossoms give only 2 Glory doesn't count for anything. Really, if the Fire Blossoms action is changed, I want an action that requires no Battle Plans too, like the Lion's "Wall of Steel" (1-2 MI? one of the easiest battle actions EVER and it nets you 4 Glory and 2 Honor. Not to mention the "Arrival of the Unicorn", 1-2 Light Cavalry and it gives amazing 3 Glory and 1 Honor. Yeah, and we are the ones who have it easy...), and gives good rewards (because I'm swimming in Warrior Monks and Minor Shugenja).

And this is all balanced by, as Aroru and Enishi mentioned, the multitude of actions with easy to get items the Kaneka side has now available. I don't know if you guys realize it but, if any of us stick with the Fire Blossoms we will be making a huge sacrifice (because we will be willingly gaining crappy Glory and no elemental rings, which means no extra Fate) in order to win. In my book, that's worth something.

[Kitsuki Misaru]

Well, to counter your thoughts, clicking only at the CotSW Battle will definitely delay your Fate development, because after Emeralding all the actions, there are no more tokens. The smaller Glory gain (and honor loss for the ones using blowdarts more subtle tactics) is an issue, but since when did Mirumoto care about Glory and such worldly issues? He only cared about Victory.

Also, Medium Infantries are rather difficult to find (much more than Heavy Infantry ones - a paradox imo), if you don't have the proper allies. And even then, they come at the cost of Fate.

[Shoju]

Can we please close the white orchid festival already? This thing has been open for.... 5+ months. I don't want to have to keep coming back here and competing just to keep my spot....

[Tamori Manji]

Jan 3, 2012 14:03:32 GMT -5 Kitsuki Misaru said:

but since when did Mirumoto care about Glory and such worldly issues? He only cared about Victory.

Yes, I agree. That is the way of the Dragon and I'm more than willing to sacrifice.

Jan 3, 2012 14:03:32 GMT -5 Kitsuki Misaru said:

Also, Medium Infantries are rather difficult to find (much more than Heavy Infantry ones - a paradox imo), if you don't have the proper allies. And even then, they come at the cost of Fate.

I have almost two hundred of them sitting in my inventory right now. And that is after going way beyond emerald with the Dragon action in CotSS and up to jade in Crossroads.

Jan 3, 2012 14:05:31 GMT -5 Shoju said:

Can we please close the white orchid festival already? This thing has been open for.... 5+ months. I don't want to have to keep coming back here and competing just to keep my spot....

Don't worry Shoju, I'll surpass you before the tournament ends

[Shoju]

Which, No offense intended to you, is completely irritating. 5+ months is way too long to keep coming back and farming favors, so that I can keep doing this.

[quarim]

Never end white orchid!

[Tamori Manji]

Jan 3, 2012 14:13:13 GMT -5 Shoju said:

Which, No offense intended to you, is completely irritating.

I know, its exactly why I keep provoking you. No offense intended but I find it amusing to see how annoyed you are by the endless contest

Maybe Yukihime might reach you too, if she keeps investing in her skills. I'm currently in a private duel with her for the 5th spot.

[Shoju]

I figured 90 days, giving people a chance to emerald it out was long enough, but this is closing in on 6 months of it being open. Not even the endless courtier contest in Scorpion Lands was open this long. You will need to level faster than me to catch me.

Since I see that it sill isn't closed, and people are catching up to me, I will just start dumping my points back into spellcraft instead of working on other things.

[Akodo Keisuke]

Well then lets take a closer look at Fire Blossoms:
To preform Fire Blossoms:

Actions	Required	Fate	Cost
Fire Blossoms	Lore 30	18 fate	alchemical elixir

To acquire alchemical elixir

Practice alchemy with the Agasha

Spellcraft 2

4 fate

1 Koku

15 Clicks per hour with a drop rate somewhere about 30%.
That comes out to 5 alchemical elixirs per hour. That can be directly turned around into clicks at a rate of 3 per hour.

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That is a huge numerical and time saving advantage. Considering that the Hantei players clicked that action 19,202 I do not think there were to many players concerned glory, honor, or fate gains.

[Shoju]

I took it past emerald specifically because of the farming aspects of the job, and the positive glory associated with it.

Help beat Lion - Check
Help get back to #1 Spider in Glory - Check
Easily Farmable - Check

I was a win win job for me.

[Daidoji Fitsu]

I'm concerned with them, but you have to make sacrifices. Much like I had zero Infamy and the highest Battle when this began.