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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Jan 17, 2012 5:02:35 GMT -5
Yuusha, you forget about something, so let me put that for you:
Vote for Kitsuki Iweko!
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan 
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jan 17, 2012 5:42:22 GMT -5
Yuusha, you forget about something, so let me put that for you: Vote for Kitsuki Iweko!Absolutely right, well spotted. Didn't want to spam it since I put it in the thread earlier that day. Still, you made a mistake too. Don't worry, I can correct it for you! VOTE FOR |
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
Posts: 826
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Post by Zeure on Jan 17, 2012 7:59:35 GMT -5
It is a mark of how tired I am that I actually sat there and watched every single bit of that scroll text, rather than just quoting you and reading it that way....
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
Posts: 1,140
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jan 18, 2012 11:16:03 GMT -5
Bah... one more person with blackmail... dammit...
Vote Kitsuki Iweko - change you CAN believe in!
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 18, 2012 11:24:29 GMT -5
Let me put it this way, Kitsuki Iweko is the girl who allowed the Spider to become a Great Clan in the official storyline. So, you want to have your evil schemes receive the blessings of the Heavens and be officially recognized by the Empire? Vote for her!
Sorry, impossible not to make that joke.
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Post by Shoju on Jan 18, 2012 11:25:36 GMT -5
Sure, she's a fine candidate. Not my choice, but a good choice nonetheless. As long as it isn't a Kaneka bride, I'm ok.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jan 18, 2012 13:36:06 GMT -5
....Let me put it this way. Would the dragon rather get a 5% bump or have all the Lion fighting at Swift Sword join them against Kaneka? Seriously, people keep saying they want to end the war and have peace. The best option for that is a Lion Bride and no one actually wants to follow through on it. The Lion/Crane come up with a peace treaty, but neither one publically supports the best option to bring about peace, a Lion bride.
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Saiko
Spider Clan
Here we stand, at the end of all things...
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Post by Saiko on Jan 18, 2012 13:37:36 GMT -5
A Crane peace treaty would actually only open up more troops to fight the Dragon. It doesn't mean that the Lion would side against Kaneka
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jan 18, 2012 14:20:50 GMT -5
...It doesn't mean they wouldn't either, but it does mean if she isn't picked then there's no chance of it happening. Jay specifically states in the action that it opens up that route. He doesn't put the text in the actions to try and "trick" people.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 18, 2012 15:59:48 GMT -5
What can I say, I may respect my enemies but they are still my enemies. And I do not think so low of the Lion as to imagine that they would betray a second Emperor in less than a year's time. As I see it, no matter the options available, the Lion will stick with Kaneka 'till the bitter end (for them or for us). The infamous Lion/Crane peace is an excellent proof of that. Do you see them bowing down to Naseru and swearing fealty after their commanders commit seppuku and they formally go "I'm sorry for betraying your trust and bringing war to our Empire my Lord"? Nope, I don't see it either (neither do I expect them to do it at any point. After all, they were among the first to rebel and I expect them to honor their beliefs, since they gladly sacrificed their allegiance to follow them). The Lion will still recognize Kaneka as an Emperor and we will actively have two Emperors alive. Now I wonder how people can delude themselves that peace can be arranged under these conditions. What will they suggest next? That we split Rokugan in two? Youngsters these days...  |
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Post by Shoju on Jan 18, 2012 16:11:29 GMT -5
Hey, if it were up to me, it would all be one country, and the map would have a definitive dark grey / green vibe.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jan 18, 2012 17:04:20 GMT -5
What can I say, I may respect my enemies but they are still my enemies. And I do not think so low of the Lion as to imagine that they would betray a second Emperor in less than a year's time. As I see it, no matter the options available, the Lion will stick with Kaneka 'till the bitter end (for them or for us). The infamous Lion/Crane peace is an excellent proof of that. Do you see them bowing down to Naseru and swearing fealty after their commanders commit seppuku and they formally go "I'm sorry for betraying your trust and bringing war to our Empire my Lord"? Nope, I don't see it either (neither do I expect them to do it at any point. After all, they were among the first to rebel and I expect them to honor their beliefs, since they gladly sacrificed their allegiance to follow them). The Lion will still recognize Kaneka as an Emperor and we will actively have two Emperors alive. Now I wonder how people can delude themselves that peace can be arranged under these conditions. What will they suggest next? That we split Rokugan in two? Youngsters these days... ...And the role-playing is nice on the forum, but this isn't a role-playing game. It's a clicky game. People have already expressed how tired of this war they are. If you give them an option to end it much more quickly, they just might take it. After all, this rebellion wouldn't have happened in the actual Rokugan setting. It's a product of the players molding the game to their needs, not the setting molding the players to it. |
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Kitsu Hiraku
Lion Clan
Sodan-senzo * Loyal to the Emperor
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Post by Kitsu Hiraku on Jan 18, 2012 17:14:29 GMT -5
Hey, if it were up to me, it would all be one country, and the map would have a definitive dark grey / green vibe.  Bad paint edit because I'm lazy. Still, had to do it. |
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 18, 2012 18:01:15 GMT -5
After all, this rebellion wouldn't have happened in the actual Rokugan setting. I wonder what you mean by "actual Rokugan setting". Don't you remember the Scorpion coup which happened simply because the Scorpion player lost to a Shadowlands deck in the last bout of the tournament? I don't think a rebellion like this one is more far-fetched than that (or any more than the Spider becoming a Great Clan... I would even dare to say that nothing that we do will ever be worse than that). And if people really wanted peace, well, they should just stop clicking in the war actions, there's plenty more to do in the Empire (and I do know some players who are playing the neutral card). |
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jan 18, 2012 18:13:15 GMT -5
...There is no job that Jay makes that someone won't click on. The idea that any action will get 0 clicks is simply not going to come to fruition. I do like how you're now backing up my argument that this isn't a role-playing game though and it's the results of the clicks that determine story, just like in the card game tournaments determined story.
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