Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Feb 17, 2012 8:06:40 GMT -5
On an unrelated note, why is the Dragon the only great clan with 4 schools? The ohers have 5 to 7 choices.
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
Posts: 826
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Post by Zeure on Feb 17, 2012 8:15:54 GMT -5
Because AEG is not fond enough of the dragon to give them more schools. Seriously, all they have released "base-school" wise is more swordsman schools. And, also, I thought of something to say IC that sounded cool so I'm posting it. Hum... with this assassination stuff going on, I think I must reconsider my clicks on Crab vs Scorpion issue What a complex situation ...Unfortunately you've already voted yourself out of every battle. If you wish to help yourself win the war the crab/scorpion battle is your only option. " Yukihime-san, no matter what, we must not let these unscrupulous tactics force us to act any way but honorably. It is better to lose an honorable fight than allow petty acts of vengeance to taint our honor. If we do this, then we are no better than those who use such acts."
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Post by Shokuma on Feb 17, 2012 8:32:37 GMT -5
AEG shouldn't have merged the Kitsuki magistrates/investigators with the courtiers. The schools have more than enough to exist seperately.
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 17, 2012 9:40:40 GMT -5
Mirumoto Flask collector Kitsuki Flask assembler Tamori Flask re-assembler Agasha This is not a flask and Togashi/Hitomi/Hoshi flask painters This should cover most Dragon activity
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Kitsune Poxo
Mantis Clan
Mantis Clan | Shugenja | Earth | Thunder | Kitsune Blooded | Naval | Daimyo | Unique
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Post by Kitsune Poxo on Feb 17, 2012 9:51:23 GMT -5
The Dragon have done 4 things in the history of ever, 2 days of thunder, become the moon and become the empress.
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Enishi
Dragon Clan
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Post by Enishi on Feb 17, 2012 10:03:56 GMT -5
I don't think the Dragon are choosing not to defend Domotai. The way I see it, it's more than few people would choose to invest heavily in a skill that hardly ever sees a competition and then it's always one-click (so no emulation between players). Besides, there's really only one very high-level Kitsuki at the moment, and we all know where their loyalty lies (and to be honest, he's not very active at the moment to begin with).
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 10:05:27 GMT -5
The big problem that I have with the vote, is that the defense of the Crane Bride is Investigation, a Skill that Cranes don't get as a class skill, and as such... Despite the point that Koichi already argued, under that same train of thought I could go and say that the Battle competition in CotSS is unfair because the Dragon has no school with Battle as a skill (and the Crane, the only Clan with high enough Battle to compete voted itself out of the competition). Will I ever use that argument? No. Not only do I think this game is a joint effort (as in "your Clan doesn't have something? Find allies who have it in your instead") I also think that bad things happen and its up to us to adapt to the hand we are dealt (even if it is a bad one). EDIT: Joji-san, although I do get your joke, its not our fault that we have only one viable option in CotSS. We are just using the hand we were dealt to the best of our abilities. If we had multiple good options, we would surely be using them About the Doji Magistrate, the school appeared what? A month or two after I joined the forums? I can see there being one of those in the 100s (I am 171 currently) and if it was dedicated to Investigation it would be more than capable of dealing with Kotaro (since this is a one click competition, no later raises would be allowed and that can actually work on favor of lower leveled players).
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Zeure
Crane Clan
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Posts: 826
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Post by Zeure on Feb 17, 2012 10:11:06 GMT -5
The Dragon have done 4 things in the history of ever, 2 days of thunder, become the moon and become the empress. Well, yes, and "The Moon" is not a class that can be taken... (even as an advanced school...) And neither is empress...(though it could be...) AEG shouldn't have merged the Kitsuki magistrates/investigators with the courtiers. The schools have more than enough to exist seperately. Also, Shokuma, I agree with you, but such is the way it is, since when they made 4th ed (shoulda just kept rocking third, imho) they decided to do the core like "one courtier, one bushi, one shugenja, and one odd". Which... you know, I don't wholly agree with, but hey, it makes sense. And so they HAD to keep the Kitsuki together since they HAD to put in the monks. What irks me about it is that in the great clans book, everyone got a new base school EXCEPT THE DRAGON. I mean seriously.... what were they thinking there... And in the Emerald Empire book, they gave them... MONK SWORDSMAN. Which would be a terrible class on here because their skills would be like "kenjutsu, meditation, athletics, and Iaijutsu" OH WAIT that's what the mirumoto bushi is already. So Jay is totes justified in not adding it so... seriously. What else yah got? Is there even anything cool out of 1st or 2nd ed? From third I remember vaguely the same stuff available. The four core then one more "more Iaijutsu" dragon school outta one of the splat books. Then there was the shugenja/monk advanced, and the warrior/monk advanced... Then the potion masters were seperate from the base shuggy school... which wouldn't matter on here... *trails off into his love for third ed...*
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 10:18:31 GMT -5
And in the Emerald Empire book, they gave them... MONK SWORDSMAN. Which would be a terrible class on here because their skills would be like "kenjutsu, meditation, athletics, and Iaijutsu" OH WAIT that's what the mirumoto bushi is already. So Jay is totes justified in not adding it so... seriously. I think the Mirumoto should have a School with Battle as a class skill. No, this is not me complaining about CotSS, this is me saying that they even have a mission in Shiro Mirumoto called Study tactics with the Mirumoto that drops Battle Plans. I can't see why they don't have it as a class skill. Actually, I can't see why more Clans don't have Battle, since its always so important in warfare. Its kinda lame for everything to be decided by Battle while only 5 schools in the whole game have it tagged as a class skill. EDIT: Actually, its only 4 schools (Kaiu Engineer, Daidoji Yojimbo, Akodo Bushi and Ichiro Bushi) that have Battle as a class skill, not 5.
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 17, 2012 10:19:20 GMT -5
It's impossible to balance these contests... TBH I think the problem is the contest system itself. This sais Jay has done 2 things wich help a lot to improve their "playability":
- Best X add towards Z thing - Promotes good effort and community clan/faction wise - One click only - Click it like you mean it! Plan it like you want it!
A couple of thoughts:
- Average of 2 or more skills as long as they are not all on the same school. Would broaden the number of valid participants and would dilute single-minded skill and promote item gathering.
Couple of examples: OMG domotai is beeing attacked: Investigation + Athletics + Kenjutsu Evil Ninja attacks mighty empress while she is wearing underwear and a BIG katana: Stealth + Kuyjutsu + Athletics
The skills could be based on the text description that appear when you click and with wise choices you can make sure there isn't a single "I win!" school.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 10:23:01 GMT -5
A couple of thoughts: - Average of 2 or more skills as long as they are not all on the same school. Would broaden the number of valid participants and would dilute single-minded skill and promote item gathering. Couple of examples: OMG domotai is beeing attacked: Investigation + Athletics + Kenjutsu Evil Ninja attacks mighty empress while she is wearing underwear and a BIG katana: Stealth + Kuyjutsu + Athletics The skills could be based on the text description that appear when you click and with wise choices you can make sure there isn't a single "I win!" school. I've discussed this a couple of times with other players (I think Yuki, Hiro and Mitsouko, back in the day) and I completely agree with it, very nice of you to have mentioned the possibility. I think this is a great idea.
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
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Post by Zeure on Feb 17, 2012 10:25:14 GMT -5
I think the Mirumoto should have a School with Battle as a class skill. No, this is not me complaining about CotSS, this is me saying that they even have a mission in Shiro Mirumoto called Study tactics with the Mirumoto that drops Battle Plans. I can't see why they don't have it as a class skill. Actually, I can't see why more Clans don't have Battle, since its always so important in warfare. Its kinda lame for everything to be decided by Battle while only 5 schools in the whole game have it tagged as a class skill. I do not disagree, boss. Not one bit. It's impossible to balance these contests... TBH I think the problem is the contest system itself. This sais Jay has done 2 things wich help a lot to improve their "playability": - Best X add towards Z thing - Promotes good effort and community clan/faction wise - One click only - Click it like you mean it! Plan it like you want it! A couple of thoughts: - Average of 2 or more skills as long as they are not all on the same school. Would broaden the number of valid participants and would dilute single-minded skill and promote item gathering. Couple of examples: OMG domotai is beeing attacked: Investigation + Athletics + Kenjutsu Evil Ninja attacks mighty empress while she is wearing underwear and a BIG katana: Stealth + Kuyjutsu + Athletics The skills could be based on the text description that appear when you click and with wise choices you can make sure there isn't a single "I win!" school. I understand where you are going, but this wouldn't stop people who want to focus on one skill as they could just make up for lack of skill in another area by doing so. Unless this became the norm and the relevant skills changed often. Like, no contests use battle repetitively. Which will not happen, since battle is the MAIN skill when it comes to this war which is what the game is entirely about.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Feb 17, 2012 10:30:08 GMT -5
I don't think the Dragon are choosing not to defend Domotai. The way I see it, it's more than few people would choose to invest heavily in a skill that hardly ever sees a competition and then it's always one-click (so no emulation between players). Besides, there's really only one very high-level Kitsuki at the moment, and we all know where their loyalty lies (and to be honest, he's not very active at the moment to begin with). If this is Yuusha, we know already that he's chosen to put his points into the Courtier skill which is why he won the previous courtier competition. I doubt he has enough points to reach the 700+ stealth.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 10:33:31 GMT -5
Zeure, Joji's idea is not to stop focusing but to open more options. I mean, if a competition uses, say Battle, Kenjutsu and Horsemanship it instantly allows more players to participate in it (since three persons who focused on different skills would be able to contribute). It's not a solution for every competition, mind you, but it is a good idea that could be used from times to times. Either I got his idea wrong or I think it would be better represented by (I'll keep his words):
"Couple of examples: OMG domotai is beeing attacked: Investigation or Athletics or Kenjutsu Evil Ninja attacks mighty empress while she is wearing underwear and a BIG katana: Stealth or Kuyjutsu or Athletics"
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Post by Shoju on Feb 17, 2012 10:36:13 GMT -5
Despite the point that Koichi already argued, under that same train of thought I could go and say that the Battle competition in CotSS is unfair because the Dragon has no school with Battle as a skill (and the Crane, the only Clan with high enough Battle to compete voted itself out of the competition). Will I ever use that argument? No. Not only do I think this game is a joint effort (as in "your Clan doesn't have something? Find allies who have it in your instead") I also think that bad things happen and its up to us to adapt to the hand we are dealt (even if it is a bad one). EDIT: Joji-san, although I do get your joke, its not our fault that we have only one viable option in CotSS. We are just using the hand we were dealt to the best of our abilities. If we had multiple good options, we would surely be using them About the Doji Magistrate, the school appeared what? A month or two after I joined the forums? I can see there being one of those in the 100s (I am 171 currently) and if it was dedicated to Investigation it would be more than capable of dealing with Kotaro (since this is a one click competition, no later raises would be allowed and that can actually work on favor of lower leveled players). You could argue that the battle competition is unfair on those grounds. You are also right the game is a joint effort. But lets be honest for a second here. The difference in the people lining up to beat on each other in the battle competition at CotSS and lining up to defend the Cran Bride are very different. Yes. You will see your allies lining up with you to support the battle at the CotSS. No, I don't expect you will see the same allies lining up to save your bride. Why? Because they had their own bride, and their own interests in this. Your bride dying doesn't ruin the war effort. Your bride dying doesn't ruin anything for the Hantei Supporters. Actually, because the "boost" was told ahead of time for what would happen if the dragon bride won, You could make an argument that it helps to have yours die. I'm not saying its right. But don't think that people are saying "OH NO! The Hantei's bride is going to die! We have to stop it!" Because honestly, more people are probably saying "If she doesn't surivive, maybe our bride gets it!" I'm not sure, but I would also suspect that the number of doji magistrates is rather low. I have no "scientific" way to check that, but call it a hunch.
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