Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 10:47:17 GMT -5
Yes. You will see your allies lining up with you to support the battle at the CotSS. No, I don't expect you will see the same allies lining up to save your bride. Why? Because they had their own bride, and their own interests in this. Your bride dying doesn't ruin the war effort. Your bride dying doesn't ruin anything for the Hantei Supporters. Actually, because the "boost" was told ahead of time for what would happen if the dragon bride won, You could make an argument that it helps to have yours die. The Scorpion didn't have a bride in the competition! Ohhh wait... But I get your point. Still, none of us in the Dragon are really thinking like that, we would help if we could but I don't know any Kitsuki in the forums who has focused on Investigation, its as simple as that really. And I don't think the assassination of Domotai will prompt the immediate choosing of another bride (or, at least, the candidates from other Clans). I imagine we will face severe political fallout first and the Hantei may even choose another bride from the Crane to substitute her and still keep the tradition (or he may ditch the bride idea altogether, like Mai suggested to me the other day). Its not like she was the only eligible Crane woman who could marry Hantei, she was only the best candidate. If she dies, I don't see why another Crane wouldn't be chosen in her place. They did win the elections after all. EDIT: Also, its not that I don't care about Domotai dying, its just that I don't care about playing matchmaking at all. I do think there are more important things to focus on (I did the bride missions almost solely for elemental rings). And I can't help defend her in any way, unfortunately, so, another reason for me not to worry about it. Once CotSS is finished, I'll worry about other things again (either rebuilding my Clan or trying to put an end to the war).
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 17, 2012 10:50:10 GMT -5
EDIT: Joji-san, although I do get your joke, its not our fault that we have only one viable option in CotSS. We are just using the hand we were dealt to the best of our abilities. If we had multiple good options, we would surely be using them It's just a joke, ofc you play to the best of your ability with the weapons handed out to you. No moral issues or accusations here!
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Feb 17, 2012 10:52:23 GMT -5
Boo Joji! And here I thought we were finally getting a school with the Art skill. ;D
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Feb 17, 2012 11:00:26 GMT -5
There is such a thing as TOO MUCH balance - if the game were totally "symmetrical" (every clan having equal access to all skills and resources), then what would be the purpose of clans? What would happen to the flavor?
The fact is, the Crane - a clan devoted to art, whether the "arts", the art of combat (iaijutsu, dueling), the art of compromise (diplomacy) and so on - is simply ill-prepared to deal with the kind of dishonorable monster who would sneak in to murder a young bride. I mean, who does that, right?
For what it's worth, Takezo himself, concerned about the Doji princess (even though he supported Kitsuki Iwieko, he will not allow an innocent to fall pawn to a murderous plot if he can help it), requested that the Dragon do something if possible - that if there WERE a Kitsuki out there sitting on a ton of unspent skill points, that perhaps NOW was the time to step in and use them... this was a matter of some debate, but I feel certain that IF there were a Kitsuki (active in the forum) who could do this, they would.
Takezo would actually *benefit* from the assassination, politically - it will almost certainly cause a rift between the Scorpion and Crane, weakening Hantei's coalition. That said, saving the princess is the *right* thing to do, and HOPEFULLY not all of us samurai have simply become politicians... ;D
(And I would be VERY happy if I could default to Iaijutsu to save the princess, but that simply wouldn't make sense!)
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 17, 2012 11:00:40 GMT -5
Zeure, Joji's idea is not to stop focusing but to open more options. I mean, if a competition uses, say Battle, Kenjutsu and Horsemanship it instantly allows more players to participate in it (since three persons who focused on different skills would be able to contribute). It's not a solution for every competition, mind you, but it is a good idea that could be used from times to times. Either I got his idea wrong or I think it would be better represented by (I'll keep his words): "Couple of examples: OMG domotai is beeing attacked: Investigation or Athletics or Kenjutsu Evil Ninja attacks mighty empress while she is wearing underwear and a BIG katana: Stealth or Kuyjutsu or Athletics"What he said and what he said that I said! The more viable options to the players the better, they don't have to be equally "powerfull" under a microscope but should make ppl want to participate. Couple more examples: CotSS: Battle contest: -Battle + Horsemanship for kaneka's side (Unicorn arriving seems to be the deciding factor here, given the 3 actions involving cavalry and cavalry manouvers.) -Hantei's side: Battle+Survival for Hantei's side to represent all the time spent on the field of battle or Battle + Spellcraft if you really want to make the use of the alchemy flasks a feature in the dragon war effort. This way you create more connection between story and actions. Note: To guys who have spoken about this, feel free to mention my name as a big supporter of multi-skill contests, single-click contests and best X contests!
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 11:03:46 GMT -5
The fact is, the Crane - a clan devoted to art, whether the "arts", the art of combat (iaijutsu, dueling), the art of compromise (diplomacy) and so on - is simply ill-prepared to deal with the kind of dishonorable monster who would sneak in to murder a young bride. I mean, who does that, right?I am loling uncontrollably here, for some reason. Thank you for the carefully measured words Takezo-san ;D EDIT: I agree completely with Joji, again. To me, that sounds like a great idea and it would be cool if Jay could implement it in some of the contests yet to come.
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Post by Shoju on Feb 17, 2012 11:07:17 GMT -5
Takezo's response is awesome.
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Feb 17, 2012 11:58:07 GMT -5
I like the idea of multiple skills, but I'll add that there is already precedent for actions that require 'Skill A or Skill B'. So an action that is a competition of the highest of two or more skills (per action) is not much of a game change.
I do like the moderating effect of an average of skills, but at some point that could muddy actions to the point that level becomes more important than having a uniquely powerful character (if that is desirable).
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quarim
Dragon Clan
Merchant*Qolat*Gaijin
Posts: 334
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Post by quarim on Feb 17, 2012 12:12:44 GMT -5
I expressed before the desire of multiple versus actions in the war effort. Having multiple actions similar to the Winter Warfare action. But I think all actions should be 1 skill vs 1 skill. Not multiple vs multiple. This would relate to all areas rewarding characters some people for their focus in one skill. And rewarding well rounded characters with the ability to top 10 multiple actions even if they can't top score any of them.
The stealth vs investigation seems perfect when dealing with a assassination attempt. I applaud more actions like this covering more skills so that all players and clans have an opportunity to shine.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 13:11:07 GMT -5
Stealth vs Investigation is not that uncommon though. I still remember the attempt on the Phoenix Ambassador's life.
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 17, 2012 14:10:53 GMT -5
Stealth vs Investigation is not that uncommon though. I still remember the attempt on the Phoenix Ambassador's life. And here is the problem... same contest means same players... players who were out before are still out.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 14:27:31 GMT -5
Yes, I agree completely Joji. Funny thing this time around though, back then, the Scorpion wanted to "look good" so they planned a botched assassination. This time they really want to kill Domotai and, so far, Aroru is top in both Stealth and Investigation. Shame the Dragon doesn't have a dedicated Kitsuki investigator, I think maybe I should create an alt for that (since spellcraft is seldomly used for anything anyway)
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 17, 2012 14:35:42 GMT -5
...I'm not sure where you got that impression from Manji. The Scorpion didn't plan for the ambassador assassination attempt, it's something Jay just threw out there much like this one. I got the result I wanted from it, but it wasn't because I wanted our clan to "look good."
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 14:42:46 GMT -5
Yes, of course Aroru-san, that result didn't favor the Scorpion at all and a Scorpion didn't compete against another Scorpion, sure
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 17, 2012 16:06:26 GMT -5
...Do I think it favored us, yes I do. The people who wanted us to end up pro-toturi don't agree I'm sure. As far as Scorpion competing against Scorpion yeah, that is what happened. I'm really not sure what you're trying to say, you sound like you think the whole thing was a big cohesive scorpion plot, which doesn't really make sense.
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