Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
Posts: 600
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Feb 17, 2012 16:26:49 GMT -5
Everything the Scorpion do is a big cohesive Scorpion plot!
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 16:35:26 GMT -5
I don't see how the attempt on the Phoenix Ambassador's life was unfavorable to the Toturi supporters. By doing so, and failing, the opportunity to accuse the Spider arose and that was used as a justification to send the Scorpion troops to the Wall in the south and far away from the frontlines of the war. I think it served their designs perfectly (especially because some are friends with the Lions and were spared having to fight against them). If you can't see that, well... who am I to argue, you are a Scorpion after all and I am not. Also, a smart manipulator knows how to use even those who disagree with him/her (or, should I say, especially those who disagree). That way, a course of action doesn't always need to be cohesively agreed upon to serve one's best interests. But, if you say there is no big plan and that no one is manipulating anyone, who am I to suggest otherwise? That said, sorry if I gave offense, I meant absolutely nothing by it
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 17, 2012 16:54:22 GMT -5
...Best part about being a Scorpion is we don't even have to try. People always assume we're outsmarting them somehow. B)
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Kitsuki Zatoichi
Dragon Clan
* Blind * Justicar * Enlightened * Dragon Ambassador to Crane Clan
Posts: 13
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Post by Kitsuki Zatoichi on Feb 17, 2012 18:01:05 GMT -5
Yes, I agree completely Joji. Funny thing this time around though, back then, the Scorpion wanted to "look good" so they planned a botched assassination. This time they really want to kill Domotai and, so far, Aroru is top in both Stealth and Investigation. Shame the Dragon doesn't have a dedicated Kitsuki investigator, I think maybe I should create an alt for that (since spellcraft is seldomly used for anything anyway) I would give my life to save Doji Domotai Sama, but unfortunately, my skill is not enough. If she actually dies, i will track the assassin even to Jigoku, and avenge her honor. Nobody just kill a empress like this and walk away unpunished. PS: Sorry about the english... Kitsuki Zatoichi, blind Justicar and aspirant to Dragon Ambassador to Crane Lands.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Feb 17, 2012 18:11:16 GMT -5
*bows deeply*
Thank you for your efforts and noble devotion Kitsuki-san. It is much appreciated and won't be forgotten.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 17, 2012 18:23:01 GMT -5
Indeed, Zatoichi's post just gave me an idea. It would be, imho, very interesting if, as a follow up to the assassination, there was a last ditch opportunity to save Doji Domotai's life and/or unmask the assassin. These actions could involve Investigation again or Spellcraft and Kenjutsu, akin to what happens when someone attempts to kill Sezaru in the Bane of the Wolf Storyline. This would really spice things up and show how far both sides are willing to go to either see her saved or see her dead. I think we can even make a short thread to RP it.
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Kitsu Hiraku
Lion Clan
Sodan-senzo * Loyal to the Emperor
Posts: 197
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Post by Kitsu Hiraku on Feb 17, 2012 20:33:54 GMT -5
Hmm... an action that requires reaaaally high skill (as in more than in the Sezaru action, since this is a contest, not a storyline) and ends up in you possible dead, but you could save the bride? That would indeed be very interesting. And quite in the spirit of L5R.
As for contests using multiple skills... yes and no. Sure it would be nice for my character to actually do something (And hey, a Kitsu is great if you want to solve a murder case using magic. Just ask the victim) it would also make character like mine (I only spend points on spellcraft, except the ones needed to equip items/to fast travel) useless against higher level players. If I only spend points on one skill I could beat someone better, even though he has a lot more points. The more skills he can use, the smaller the chance is. I'd rather see contests that allow you to use one of X skills, depending which one of yours is higher.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Feb 17, 2012 21:56:47 GMT -5
[quote/] I would give my life to save Doji Domotai Sama, but unfortunately, my skill is not enough. If she actually dies, i will track the assassin even to Jigoku, and avenge her honor. Nobody just kill a empress like this and walk away unpunished. PS: Sorry about the english... Kitsuki Zatoichi, blind Justicar and aspirant to Dragon Ambassador to Crane Lands.[/quote] Now there's a samurai! I wish I'd known you when I was among the Dragon! *bows* ;D +1 to the idea of some follow-up actions to the (inevitable) assassination.
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Shosuro Honzo
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Shosuro Daimyo * Ninja* "Master of Shadows"* Loyal * Unique
Posts: 194
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Post by Shosuro Honzo on Feb 18, 2012 5:19:15 GMT -5
If the Lady Domotai does suffer an untimely death, there would be no follow-up investigation. The roll for the investigation would be considered the investigation. Arorou, who holds the highest rolls on both tables thus far, would have covered up his tracks, leaving no evidence that there was an assassin. For all intents and purposes, it would appear that she just died suddenly, with no viable cause discernable. The Crane are known for having weak genetic heirs, some suffering from violent seizures. The Lady Domotai might be chalked up as one of these unfortunate souls. So, if anything, the Hantei would hold a funeral for her and would probably not choose a new bride-to-be for some time. Etiquette in Rokugan being as it were, he would be in mourning for his lost betrothed until such a time as society would deem it necessary for him to announce another candidate for marriage. There would be no rush to get engaged to the Emperor, purely to fill a void that would exist. If an investigation roll is made that beats Arorou's roll (unsure as to the viability of this possibility for now), then the 'investigation' would simply be that an assassin was caught trying to kill Lady Domotai, but was thwarted. His capture/execution would be up to Jay. Since PC deaths are usually not forced, I am unsure how this would be done, if at all. In the P & P L5R, I'm sure that the assassin would be hanged and his Clan called to court to answer for the would-be-killer's action. His daimyo would probably be called to commit seppuku (which is me at this point, but I don' t plan on going anywhere ) And if anyone wishes to recall the Phoenix ambassador's assassination attempt, it was the will of the Scorpion Clan at that time that she would die. Arorou-san took it upon himself for his own reasons to thwart such an action. This caused much heated debate as to why he blatantly went against Senshi-sama's commands and there was much discussion as to ramifications. But that is all done and past now. We are now with the Hantei, but we will do what we think is best FOR THE EMPIRE, as we always have. So any Clan can speculate as to what we are doing, whether it be killing the Crane Bride or attacking Kyuden Kitsune or Clear Water Village. The fact remains that we have our own plans, as do all the other Clans, and no one roll will determine the outcome of the War.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 18, 2012 7:37:07 GMT -5
(...) and no one roll will determine the outcome of the War. Honzo-san, this single last statement contradicts your entire post. How can you say that no one roll will determine the outcome of the War but also state that this will be a perfect assassination in case the assassin wins the contest? I know killing a bride is hardly winning the war but it is akin to throwing seven thousand Crane votes in the garbage with one single click (literally, since this is a one click competition). Even though I may heavily disagree with the recent decisions taken by the Crane, I can recognize player effort and I would not wish something like that to anyone, especially those whom I still consider allies.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Feb 18, 2012 9:00:34 GMT -5
Takezo posted an offer to the Doji Magistrates in the Kyuden Doji forum - basically, if anyone is leveling a Doji Magsitrate, Takezo will support them as best he can through ronin gifts (scouts, minor shugenja, thugs or other followers whom they may find of assistance to quick leveling). Takezo urges other honorable samurai to make similar arrangements!
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Feb 18, 2012 9:49:48 GMT -5
I suspect that Jay will handle this based on how severe the difference in dice roll goes and based on the winners of the rolls.
I.E. If stealth side wins by a margin of X, then its a clean kill, with no one the wiser. but if investigation side is able to keep the score less then X, then they might have a trail of clues.
Jay may also take into account that the same person leads both votes, that will likely influence the outcome in some way.
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quarim
Dragon Clan
Merchant*Qolat*Gaijin
Posts: 334
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Post by quarim on Feb 18, 2012 10:12:42 GMT -5
I suspect then Spider will be blamed either way.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Feb 18, 2012 10:40:08 GMT -5
lol!
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Feb 18, 2012 11:04:08 GMT -5
...At this point I'm just wondering if that whole only being available for a few days comment on the Iris Festival(which may or may not tie in to the rest of the actions there) is just a holdover from last year.
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