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Post by Hida Joji on May 9, 2012 16:22:28 GMT -5
Lol, great zoom, Keisuke-san. I kinda have to add that Shoju's idea (of fleeing Kaneka) could lead to a very interesting scenario. >.o I'd have to seppuku him with chop-sticks if that happened...
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on May 9, 2012 17:33:31 GMT -5
-_-; One day I will see the scorpion stop shooting itself in the foot. Can't we begin to assassinate members of the opposing army, just for a change? From another angle: ![](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v507/Raposa/Hiromitsus%20stories/atempt.jpg)
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 9, 2012 18:12:30 GMT -5
I gotta say, both Keisuke and Hiromitsu rock. I think your pictures are pretty accurate descriptions of what's happening in the Courts right now and I cannot help but laugh every single time I look at them ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I wonder what will happen when the Shadowlands attacks again. As a player, I wanted to see them succeed before and now I'll be rooting even harder (from a distance) for something awesomely cataclysmic to happen so that we get a real change of pace in this war. I want to see what Naseru, Kaneka and Sezaru will do if/when the tainted become a real threat to the Empire again.
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on May 9, 2012 19:19:58 GMT -5
Who stabbed who in the back? Is there going to be any repercussions maybe a little bit of courtly drama? If this happens i do hope that we of the toturist/spider camp do get to join in the voting ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 9, 2012 19:37:28 GMT -5
If this happens i do hope that we of the toturist/spider camp do get to join in the voting ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) I wanna get the right to vote on things that affect the enemy army/alliances too ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Daigotsu Daisuke
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on May 9, 2012 19:42:39 GMT -5
you already when the lion almost chased down the crane army at kyuden seppun when all the toturist lions had agreed to vote for leaving them alone. Lucky for us peace was cemented before that tragedy happened ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) . Yea i do have to agree it is obnoxious having people who only wish your ruin have equal say in your camp isn't it? And lets be honest the mantis and Unicorn haven't been exactly the most useful allies... its all good though cause im now undead baaaabbbeeeee ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 9, 2012 20:04:42 GMT -5
you already when the lion almost chased down the crane army at kyuden seppun when all the toturist lions had agreed to vote for leaving them alone. I really don't know what you're talking about now. Can you please explain a bit more? Seems like I've missed this one (or have completely forgotten about it).
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Daigotsu Daisuke
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on May 9, 2012 21:45:21 GMT -5
do i not remember this carefully enough? There was a vote taken by the lion to hunt down the crane army post toshi ranbo. After the lion clan agreed in forum that chasing the crane down would be a terrible idea, it was voted upon in game to do so. Maybe that was enemies making votes for the lion or just clicking players not being on forums im not so sure. It ended up in "skirmishes" right before the lion and crane came to peace.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on May 9, 2012 21:52:25 GMT -5
Considering that I helped defend the princess, I feel no qualms whatsoever about seeking out the truth of what happened. Besides, it makes as much sense as Hantei supporters being able to pass freely through Toturi supporter territory and vice versa. ...No, it doesn't. To attend Kaneka's court, you have to have his supporting icon. Jay can't lock down whole areas of the map based on who you support, but the respective courts, yeah, that should happen. I suppose it depends on which part of all this you find objectionable. If you're referring to the fact that Toturi supporters can denounce the Scorpion in the Imperial Court, then you might have a point. That's not going to stop me from doing it, though. If, however, you're objecting to the fact that the Scorpion were blamed at all then you have much less of a case. Neither the assassination nor protection jobs were faction-locked, which would have made it strange to faction-lock the vote to decide who got the blame. Furthermore, the blame vote took place at Benten Seido, not the Imperial Court. Besides, if the blame vote had only been open to Hantei supporters there wouldn't have been a point in having the vote in the first place. The echo chamber would have ensured that the incident was blamed on the Lion by default. More to the point... so what? The Scorpion say a few conciliatory words, promise to execute the traitors to their clan, maybe even do so, and the whole thing gets swept under the rug like it never happened. You're also assuming that serious consequences to the Scorpion clan as a whole are even on the table, which is far from a given. Even if they are, we Toturi supporters don't have the click-power to do anything about it and you know it. Just make your clicks, accept your inevitable victory, and move on.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on May 9, 2012 21:53:29 GMT -5
you already when the lion almost chased down the crane army at kyuden seppun when all the toturist lions had agreed to vote for leaving them alone. I really don't know what you're talking about now. Can you please explain a bit more? Seems like I've missed this one (or have completely forgotten about it). I'm pretty sure he's talking about the Crane/Lion peace treaty and how it affected the Lion's near-advance into Kyuden Otomo.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on May 9, 2012 22:21:04 GMT -5
do i not remember this carefully enough? There was a vote taken by the lion to hunt down the crane army post toshi ranbo. After the lion clan agreed in forum that chasing the crane down would be a terrible idea, it was voted upon in game to do so. Maybe that was enemies making votes for the lion or just clicking players not being on forums im not so sure. It ended up in "skirmishes" right before the lion and crane came to peace. There are lots of clicking players not present on the forums, for sure. There are even many of them who visit the forum once or twice and them never come back.
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 9, 2012 22:23:53 GMT -5
Actually, there was a Toturi-only vote, in Toshi Ranbo, to determine the next action of the Lion and it was decided that their army would pursue the Crane to Kyuden Otomo. More or less at the same time, but after the voting in TR had started (a couple of weeks I think), the Lion and the Crane started the thread about the peace treaty. Jay translated that thread into actions at Kyuden Seppun but the vote to move the Lion army ended first and there was a brief skirmish in Kyuden Otomo before both sides agreed on peace. So, as far as I remember, there were never any votes involving the Toturi army or their direct allies that the Hantei supporters had the opportunity to influence. Also, Toturi's Court, in opposition to Hantei's Court or the Winter Court, was always Toturi-only. This is the reason some of us are wondering why is Hantei's Court open to those that are directly at war with Hantei, especially when events that could very well decide the future of Clans that swore fealty to Hantei are ongoing, it simply makes no sense. EDIT: Jay's own words from the original post 11/24/2011: Crossroads Castle and Kyuden Otomo: A narrow win for chasing the Crane to Kyuden Otomo. Since the margin is so slight and there is another vote pending that may create a Lion/Crane truce, I have represented this in game with only minor skirmishing at Kyuden Otomo (for now). If the truce talks succeed, the skirmishing will end. If the truce talks fail, the skirmishing will escalate into battle.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on May 9, 2012 22:25:55 GMT -5
It is funny to imagine a Lion "Praising the Dragon Clan" ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) They should RP that in order to get the token. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Tamori Manji on May 9, 2012 22:27:04 GMT -5
It is funny to imagine a Lion "Praising the Dragon Clan" ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) They should RP that in order to get the token. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) I would like to see that hahaha, but what can I say? We're awesome that way ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on May 10, 2012 0:20:39 GMT -5
...No, it doesn't. To attend Kaneka's court, you have to have his supporting icon. Jay can't lock down whole areas of the map based on who you support, but the respective courts, yeah, that should happen. I suppose it depends on which part of all this you find objectionable. If you're referring to the fact that Toturi supporters can denounce the Scorpion in the Imperial Court, then you might have a point. That's not going to stop me from doing it, though. If, however, you're objecting to the fact that the Scorpion were blamed at all then you have much less of a case. Neither the assassination nor protection jobs were faction-locked, which would have made it strange to faction-lock the vote to decide who got the blame. Furthermore, the blame vote took place at Benten Seido, not the Imperial Court. Besides, if the blame vote had only been open to Hantei supporters there wouldn't have been a point in having the vote in the first place. The echo chamber would have ensured that the incident was blamed on the Lion by default. More to the point... so what? The Scorpion say a few conciliatory words, promise to execute the traitors to their clan, maybe even do so, and the whole thing gets swept under the rug like it never happened. You're also assuming that serious consequences to the Scorpion clan as a whole are even on the table, which is far from a given. Even if they are, we Toturi supporters don't have the click-power to do anything about it and you know it. Just make your clicks, accept your inevitable victory, and move on. ...You're right kenzo, that logic is infallible. Kaneka doesn't have the clicks, so what's the point of playing out the civil war. The echo chamber will ensure that he loses by default. Let's call it now and be done with this plotline. ...I do object that you got to defend and accuse on both accounts, but I understand that's a practical issue. There's nothing practical or even plausible about you being able to walk into Hantei's court and argue for the Scorpion to be punished further. I didn't get to argue that Kaneka should be surrendering or committing seppuku.
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