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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on May 10, 2012 0:27:30 GMT -5
I didn't get to argue that Kaneka should be surrendering or committing seppuku. That sir, was epic
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on May 10, 2012 1:14:43 GMT -5
...You're right kenzo, that logic is infallible. Kaneka doesn't have the clicks, so what's the point of playing out the civil war. The echo chamber will ensure that he loses by default. Let's call it now and be done with this plotline. I know you probably only meant that as a witty retort, but I think that's exactly what needs to happen. The war was enjoyable at first, but after a few months became merely tedious. Now that's it's been, what, almost a year? Now it's just frustrating. It seems to me that it's long past time to wrap up this plotline and move on to new, less divisive content that appeals to a broader section of the player base. ...I do object that you got to defend and accuse on both accounts, but I understand that's a practical issue. There's nothing practical or even plausible about you being able to walk into Hantei's court and argue for the Scorpion to be punished further. I didn't get to argue that Kaneka should be surrendering or committing seppuku. Your objection to a Toturi supporter being able to defend the Imperial Bride confuses me. You, a Hantei supporter, took a shot at killing her yourself. Wouldn't that cut both ways? I guess I just don't see why this is such a big deal to some people when there are plenty of other things in the game that are neither practical nor plausible. I think you'd be better served just clicking away to defend yourself like everyone else has to when they get egg on their face. It's not like Unfortunate Words are all that hard to come by. Besides, even if you lose, what exactly do you think is going to happen? It's not like your clan is going to be kicked out of the Empire or your character forced to sepukku. EDIT: Reworded for tone.
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on May 10, 2012 3:14:23 GMT -5
Kenzo-san.
You made me wonder, and I think you're right. This war was kind of fun in the past, to some extent, but now is purely cause for annoyance.
To all, my thoughts on the matter.
I do not like the fact that we now have two rival factions exchanging barbs OOC. I also got the impression that the RP has decreased within the forum.
1 - We have two unequal sides, Jay tries to adapt strategic advantages, numbers of soldiers, alliances and land in a minimalist game. This is not an easy task.
What is the alternative? Competitions with the same cost, with equivalent drops every time? It is also unfair.
2 - We have to respect the opinion of others. And we respect the freedom to express it. Losing is frustrating, always. Feeling wronged is even more frustrating. Not being able to even talk about is the threshold of frustration.
3- As for the tone. We do not have the luck of having intonations, body language or any other hint to read the text of our colleagues. Worse, most of the texts containing comments or opinions are written in the heat of the moment.
I suggest generosity.
For anyone who writes: Think about the player who plays as a rival and who did not done anything wrong. Consider also that the person to whom you write, who just expressed his thoughts.
And for one who read: try to understand what the author wanted to say and respect the opinions of others even if they do not agree with you.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on May 10, 2012 7:12:46 GMT -5
...You're right kenzo, that logic is infallible. Kaneka doesn't have the clicks, so what's the point of playing out the civil war. The echo chamber will ensure that he loses by default. Let's call it now and be done with this plotline. I know you probably only meant that as a witty retort, but I think that's exactly what needs to happen. The war was enjoyable at first, but after a few months became merely tedious. Now that's it's been, what, almost a year? Now it's just frustrating. It seems to me that it's long past time to wrap up this plotline and move on to new, less divisive content that appeals to a broader section of the player base. ...Actually, in that, we are in complete agreement.
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Post by Hida Joji on May 10, 2012 8:29:15 GMT -5
This sounds like a PvE vs PvP discussion...
Anyone know if the community liked the Yobanjin battles?
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Post by Shoju on May 10, 2012 8:43:58 GMT -5
@joji.
The playerbase enjoyed the Yobanjin war more so than they are currently enjoying the Civil War. I think that it is more of a problem of "length" than PvE Vs PvP style debate.
I could be wrong though.
For me, interest in the Civil War quickly died. When the Spider vote was "handled", and we were given no time to coordinate who we were going to try and back (like the great clans were given the chance to do), and it was obvious that we wouldn't be able to amass the numbers to win at either camp, I stopped caring.
I work with a small group of Spider's who have clearly defined what we will and wont do in the click game pertaining to the civil war, and work to make the war as uncomfortable for all involved.
Everything I have done in RP, and Click since then, has been a direct result of the Spider action. The civil war, just holds no interest for me anymore.
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Post by Hida Joji on May 10, 2012 10:12:19 GMT -5
It can't just end suddenly or it will leave a broken timeline and player base behind. It needs a big finish, in scope not lenght of clicks, for everyone to be able to move past it.
I'm all for a big duel (Kaneka vs Hachi?) or some sort of demise amongst those involved. As long as it's fun and properly epic I think the community would take it well.
Or... perhaps a bigger enemy ( think Akuma Clyde and Bonnie Kyoso ) makes the empire join forces? Perhaps this has started already...
There is even room for those who would bet on the Oni lords, room for spider who don't want to obey the Oni.
Anyway, Joji will go on trying to corrupt ppl! I will gather followers!
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Post by Shoju on May 10, 2012 10:19:23 GMT -5
I agree, what this needs is an epic event to tie it all together, and bring it to a close. Maybe Jay is planning to use the Oni as a catalyst. It would definitely play well into the idea of the Ikazuchi that some of us on the forums have started to run with as well.
I want to publicly say though, that if we have another "Spider VS Teh Empire" type of battle, that I HOPE steps are taken to realize that the Spider is less than 10% of the current playing population, and that a straight up 1:1 ratio battle is not going to work.
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on May 10, 2012 12:38:11 GMT -5
can i just ask what compelled the scorpion to attempt assassinating the princess?
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Post by The Book Keeper on May 10, 2012 16:40:49 GMT -5
from the outsider looking in the scorpion have been very fractured.
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Post by Shoju on May 10, 2012 16:43:35 GMT -5
The Scorpion aren't fractured. They are the underhand of the Emperor. This is all just a test.
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Saiko
Spider Clan
Here we stand, at the end of all things...
Posts: 355
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Post by Saiko on May 10, 2012 16:43:55 GMT -5
from the outsider looking in the scorpion have been very fractured. Thats exactly what they want you to think! <.< >.>
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Post by Isawa Okibi on May 10, 2012 18:09:50 GMT -5
can i just ask what compelled the scorpion to attempt assassinating the princess? I think the answer is that it was a clickable action that gave a token. And it gave the Scorpions a reason to compete using their high stealth. I wonder if perhaps some of these competitions should not give tokens or items, and maybe people will only chose the items they truly believe in. Or perhaps for things like this there should be a choice action where you get a token for either performing or avoiding a particular action, but not both.
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Post by Togashi Homsar on May 10, 2012 21:44:32 GMT -5
Cuz she's a ho.
Fo sho.
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