3/14/2011: Debate in Kyuden Gotei

[Jay Luo]

Some good points were made here, and I think I'm persuaded. I flipped it from "Cannot have Sworn Enemy Mantis" to "Must have Mantis ally" which I think should still make sense and be possible to satisfy.

[Shosuro Aroru]

...Now I'm quite genuinely annoyed. I think the sworn enemy mechanic has gone completely off base. You are preventing people from making game vote actions that directly influence how the game progress all because they had a dissenting opinion. This needs to change and change now. I do appreciate the hard work and effort that you put in Jay but I simply can't agree with the course you're following. NO ONE should ever be excluded from voting on how this game changes. Come up with higher costs, higher requirements or some other balancing factor within the code. The enemies are way more powerful than any number of allies right now as it is, regardless of having them deny vote actions. You seem to be clearly stating that you want people to pick certain clans and support them for life in all their decisions. I'm sure there are members of the mantis clan that can't even speak on their own route now.


...lol, posted at the exact same time Jay edited, but I still stand by my points for future uses of the cannot have sworn enemy feature.

[Bayushi Sasori]

*Bows to Jay-Sama*

Thank you for your consideration on this matter.

[Bayushi Hiryu]

Jay,
Thank you very much for having listened to us on this (and for the overall awesome game).

[Toku Hirotomo]

The simple Monkey learned his lesson regarding doing everything. Just supporting the Southern Route this time. Bring on the Sake.

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

Agreed Kenpachi. I made that mistake a few times myself. I'm just following individual routes now, even if it means less tokens ^^

[Yoritomo Take]

::smiles:: It is a good day to be a Mantis. I'm cleaning up on bribes lately.

[Shosuro Motoyami]

I commend you Jay for your willingness to not only solict opinion from your player base, but to then be willing to change your position. It takes an individual of great wisdom to do so, and I applaud you tremendously for it.

UTZ!
BANSAI!

Moyotoshi

[Mirumoto Kenzo]

You can still vote for all 3 options? (If so... it seems very wrong)

[bodhibloodwave]

Personally i tend to vote for or against many routes and other votes simply because I'm a spider

Basically i view each action as convincing different people to my view in the votes regard(with the mastery basically making it so that somebody takes notice one way or another), and well causing mayhem is a spider thing. If that means making people argue with each other(those I've convinced for or against a matter) then so be it.

Yes, it can from time to time lead to bad things like making one mantis my enemy and prohibiting me from doing something, but as is the case i can also get a different mantis as an ally which might sometimes help me. so its somewhat a wash and I'm happy overall with how things go. I do tend to focus harder on one side tho once I've heard all sides(mastered the different choices) and can make the most sensible choice in my eyes

*looks up* and why i suddenly went and wrote a minor rant i don't know, i hadn't planned to but oh well, written is written and so I'll post it

[Isawa Okibi]

In my case I'm less interested in exactly where it is, but where it will not be. So I'll likely vote for two choices, which makes sense in character.

[Ojii]

Noble assembly!

Much have been writen om the subject, thanks Jay for the modification (since it please people and make more sense i think).

To be short, its gonna be anyway the second or the last option for the route; way? very simple : silver is a lot less accessible than sake and gold (i found it funny to use sake to get it pass in Crab land ;-) ...). Maybe this is what Jay and Allison wanted and as a mater of fact, it would be very hard i think to make it pass within the land of those who voted against in the first place or for the Dragon clan to gain acces to it right now. Very intelligent!

Ojii

[Agasha Taeshik]

Well, aside from the fact already mentioned that there's no way people have enough Silver to vote for Phoenix/Dragon, I have to say that as a Phoenix/Dragon (born Dragon, Agashas then moved to Phoenix), I'm kinda glad. No -way- I want a trade route through those lande.

I'm voting heavily (possibly to Emerald) for the Lion/Crane route. A Trade Route near the Shadowlands worries me, and if it goes through Crane/Lion lands, Imperial watch over the route is much more guaranteed than through the mountains of the north, or the blackmarket and warzones of the Scorpion and Crab.

There really isn't much choice from my point of view. (though I may take the Scorpion/Crab to Gold at least to show I'm not completely opposed to the idea, as I am with it going through Phoenix/Dragon lands).

[Shosuro Aroru]

...I would have to assume that the middle and southern routes are close to the same actually. Just one is on the south side of the Spine of the World and the other is on the north side of it. It would make no sense to make a trade route all the way down in the shadowlands. The crabs holdings on their northern border is what makes them along this proposed route.

[Kitsuki Ketsumei]

Mar 15, 2011 22:22:33 GMT -5 Ojii said:

To be short, its gonna be anyway the second or the last option for the route; way? very simple : silver is a lot less accessible than sake and gold

Except for the Spider players, who have a Corrupt Silver Mine to harvest in the Mori Isawa (northern Phoenix lands)...