Dead Crane

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

Spotted this on the list of most glorious dead. 4 Cranes in the top 6. 3 of them of the Kakita family. Most died heroically protecting others.

This strikes me as unusual

So - what are the chances that Kaneka is purposefully putting Crane samurai in dangerous positions and hoping they get killed off?

K: "you, Kakita samurai, command the troops on the right flank"
Ka: "But the right flank is weak and needs reinforcements"
K: "Just make sure it holds. I would have discussed the matter with your daimyo but *ahem* he never visited the strategy meeting"

Anyone else think the same? That Kaneka has a grudge...

[Kakita Shinji]

Whilst serious accusation, Kaneka shown how deeply he can hold grudge. Yet rest assured - no Crane will hesitate to throw his life to protect Empire.

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

^^ I have complete faith in the Crane. I just disapprove of purposefully wasting human resources... err... I mean samurai

[Shiba Kazuma]

Though the crane number of dead outweigh every other clan, they are not the only people losing good samurai. This battle is a hard fought battle with danger everywhere.

(OCC: I need to look there more often for the Haikus)

[Shagi the Mad]

(OOC - I was wondering who would be the first to "sacrifice themselves" since the roll of Most Glorious Dead became the source of the new Ancestors...

It's going to be a while before the Crab get themselves an ancestor, methinks...)

[Kakita Shinji]

Crab crave no glory, only fulfillment of their duty!

[Hida Setsuro]

Yuushahime-san, you take the fallen samurai's honor and glory by suggesting such a thing. By saying it is Kaneka's choice and not their own, you are taking away the reason that they died. You steal the meaning of it from the breath and blood they shed.

We honor the dead for this very reason. Not blame it on others.

[Toku Hirotomo]

I've been debating having Kenpachi die at MWK. As the most glorious Monkey, he'd be a shoe in for ancestoryhood. (If that's not a word then I just made it one.) Though, if I rerolled, I may be tempted away from the Monkey. Plus all that hard work gone makes me a little sad. I'd roll Hirotomo and he'd be a shade compared to Kenpachi.

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

I do no such thing Setsuro. Firstly this is an ooc part of the forums, as you should well know, so ooc thinking should be fine. It shouldn't affect people's honor or glory by speculating. However, if you want to do this more seriously... try this

Kaneka has the choice of where samurai are assigned as he is the overall commander of the army. To suggest otherwise insults each samurai in the army and suggests they cannot follow orders. So his choice of role, whether dangerous or not, is a fact. Furthermore, perhaps Kaneka knew they would make the selfless choice and so their decision, while their own, was still part of his agenda. It's a possibility, yes? It doesn't undermine their heroics though. To die in battle, whether you are a lowly ji-samurai ordered there or the commander of the whole army fighting bitterly against many enemies, is always honourable. I am not trying to do diminish that, though your accusation that I am dishonours me and wounds me unnecessarily - no doubt a brilliant example of the famous bluntness and hatred of tact that your Clan are known for. I am only trying to question the latest deaths and critically evaluate the trend they currently have. One would expect equal numbers of deaths from all involved, with perhaps more Unicorn fatalities due to the greater number of their forces present. However, this doesn't match up with the figures we have...

Rather than insult my critical analysis, why not go back to the front lines and destroy the enemy once and for all or perhaps have a brief tour of Dragon lands, particuarly any of our courtier training schools. I am sure you could use the break and the wisdom of these schools may aid you in many, many ways that your strength cannot.

*Smile smile*

[Hida Setsuro]

Speaking from a purely OOC point of view as you claim to be though, Yuusha, you would have to acknowledge that the Crane samurai in question openly chose death. How can you make an OOC accusation against Kaneka when your OOC knowledge proves that he had nothing to do with this?

What you are suggesting is an IC adaptation of your OOC guess without your OOC knowledge. So are you telling me that you're ignoring your OOC knowledge?

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

ooc Setsuro, totally agree! I was trying to suggest it as a plot idea in the same manner a certain Kakita daimyo starting a row with the Shogun. That was meant to be ooc too. I thought it'd be an interesting continuation of that. I have failed to convey that well. So yes, you're spot on. I was merely trying to stir things up a little and suggest that as a plot course. Sorry for not being clear!

So in a way I am ignoring my ooc knowledge. Even if the players made those choices, our characters would only get the statistics of deaths. They'd know there is Kaneka-Kakita animosity and they'd see that some big named Crane had died in the war and it seems Crane samurai have died disproportionately to others. It would be reasonable for characters to therefore become a little suspicious of orders given to Crane contingents in the war. Does that make sense? I was kinda rolling with that ^^

[Hida Setsuro]

That makes a lot more sense now! See, I was thinking something entirely different. Thanks for clearing that up Yuusha. It's an interesting selling point. Kaneka is kind of a bastard sometimes, it wouldn't surprise me if he was angry at the Kakita family as a whole because of the daimyo.

Though, I'd be looking at them sort of the same way in his shoes to be fair. If the Daimyo of a family started talking badly at me, I would be wary of the entire family.

Still, interesting notion. :3 You really ARE making an IC adaptation of what is known in character with a plot idea and running with it. Excellent!

[Kitsuki Yuushahime]

Oh, totally agree with understanding his position. He'd be justified in being wary of the whole family. I'm just not sure how justified he would be in sending them to battles that'd likely kill them.

And yeah, that's what I was trying to suggest. Sorry for failing abysmally. I posted this to see if anyone else had the same kinda vibe. How do you think your character will take the news when he finds out?

Yuushahime for her part is neutral towards the daimyo but is acting nice as his action has been officially approved and she never opposed him. However, she'd certainly become more negative towards him by finding out that an unusual amount of Crane had perished in the war.

Anyhow, thanks for the supportive comments for the idea Setsuro

[Mirumoto Machu]

"To do what we must"
Nuff said

[Daidoji Tsumerai]

Not enough Daidoji there, obviously. They're the Crane strategicians.