Matsu Yoshino
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Brash*Tomatsu's Yojimbo * Matsu Elite Guard
Posts: 128
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Post by Matsu Yoshino on Jun 17, 2011 12:03:33 GMT -5
*bows to Koichi-san* Hai, you are correct of course.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jun 17, 2011 12:19:09 GMT -5
I think he relinquished it on the understanding that the current Emperor would do a good job and was actually worthy of the title...
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 17, 2011 12:21:48 GMT -5
And isn't the Emperor doing that?
I'd think a Dragon would know the purpose of meditating on an issue before giving a response, instead of just brashly making decisions...
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Akodo Keisuke
Lion Clan Mod
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Posts: 704
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Jun 17, 2011 12:27:42 GMT -5
And isn't the Emperor doing that? I do not recall fighting next to the Emerald Champions Army (and there by the Emperor's army) during the battles at Mountain Watch Keep.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jun 17, 2011 12:28:49 GMT -5
You twist my words. Avoiding all combat and leadership opportunities, being too slow to make a useful decision (even if he did eventually make the right decision), possibly plotting against his brothers and sending assassins, not clearing up rumours, not demanding Kaneka's head when he had the chance, not even thinking of mediation or trying to meet to settle what could be a large misunderstanding or the work of deceitful negative elements in Rokugan...
These are only some of his failings. So no, the current Emperor isn't doing a good job and isn't worthy of the title. The only failing of Kaneka was in ever thinking his brother was capable enough to safeguard the Empire. Luckily he protected against that by becoming the Shogun
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 17, 2011 12:38:23 GMT -5
I think he relinquished it on the understanding that the current Emperor would do a good job and was actually worthy of the title... ...And we are suppose to believe that you spoke with him personally to determine this? I have presented nothing but fact with conjecture based on those facts. You have spouted nothing but opinion and blatant erroneous beliefs. The Emperor is not supposed to fight, ever. His well being is too important to the empire, which is why he sends others to do the fighting, such as the champion he chose. Massing an army to do your bidding without the emperors consent is a huge afront. Particularly because it leads people to think what you're going to do with these loyal troops once your proclaimed mission is done. Things like possibly stage a civil war. Though I'm sure such an honorable person as Kaneka would never do that.
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Mirumoto Machu
Dragon Clan
Advantage: Different school Shiba bushi. Dissadvantage: Missing limb
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Jun 17, 2011 12:43:52 GMT -5
Now, THIS is interesting... Jay, remind me again: how is it that in our game the Hantei Line didn't end with the Second Day of Thunder? I'm not Jay but here goes. To end the Spirit war Touturi the first gave his youngest son to Hantei the fifteenth to raise. In EE when Naseru won he kept the name of the evil villian that cut out his eye instead of taking back the name of his father.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jun 17, 2011 12:44:33 GMT -5
I said believe, not I know. I did not speak to him personally. You must learn to listen more carefully Aroru-kun. Your allegation that you have offered only facts and I have offered only opinion is an interesting opinion and I thank you for that.
And yes, the Emperor is supposed to fight, have you forgotten of the Emperor's Champion? He is the sword of the Emperor and he is content to do nothing. I do not hold it against him though. The Emperor must choose to wield that sword and he decided not to against the yobanjin, thereby costing more lives. He therefore went against the primary task of the Emperor - protecting the Empire.
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Post by Mirumoto Keitaro on Jun 17, 2011 12:49:38 GMT -5
Now, THIS is interesting... Jay, remind me again: how is it that in our game the Hantei Line didn't end with the Second Day of Thunder? I'm not Jay but here goes. To end the Spirit war Touturi the first gave his youngest son to Hantei the fifteenth to raise. In EE when Naseru won he kept the name of the evil villian that cut out his eye instead of taking back the name of his father. Ah, that makes sense. Thank you!
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Kakita Shinji
Crane Clan
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Post by Kakita Shinji on Jun 17, 2011 12:51:28 GMT -5
You're not in position to say what Emperor is supposed to do samurai. Don't forget about Celestial Order. Victories make samurai a war hero, not an Emperor.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jun 17, 2011 12:54:52 GMT -5
Correct Shinji-san. That is why the will of heaven will decide this matter. I humbly suggest the will of heaven will elevate Kaneka to his rightful place.
Further discussion is useless. We must await the conclusion and do what we each think is right until then
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 17, 2011 12:57:24 GMT -5
I said believe, not I know. I did not speak to him personally. You must learn to listen more carefully Aroru-kun. Your allegation that you have offered only facts and I have offered only opinion is an interesting opinion and I thank you for that. And yes, the Emperor is supposed to fight, have you forgotten of the Emperor's Champion? He is the sword of the Emperor and he is content to do nothing. I do not hold it against him though. The Emperor must choose to wield that sword and he decided not to against the yobanjin, thereby costing more lives. He therefore went against the primary task of the Emperor - protecting the Empire. ...It pleases me that you're using the tactics of the courtier title you claim. I'm glad to see that when you think you can twist words into pleasing form to suit your ends. Brash speaking always just sounds like so much braying of the donkey, wouldn't you agree?
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Bayushi Haruka
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Haruka on Jun 17, 2011 13:14:32 GMT -5
...It pleases me that you're using the tactics of the courtier title you claim. I'm glad to see that when you think you can twist words into pleasing form to suit your ends. Brash speaking always just sounds like so much braying of the donkey, wouldn't you agree? Please be mindful.[/b] I'm all for critique and discussion but this is pushing into argumental talk. That is all.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 17, 2011 14:05:36 GMT -5
I have spent many hours this morning conversing in seclusion with the Lion and Crab champions. We have decided to support the shogun. Hantei forced Kaneka to change his name, a grievous insult, and Kaneka suffered it. Hantei ignored the yobanjin, and kaneka marched to defend the emperor, and kaneka suffered it. Hantei tried to kill the shogun, kaneka turned the other cheek, and kaneka suffered it. Kaneka will NOT suffer Hantei for this empire any more! Kaneka is the one best chance that the empire has to defeat our true enemies the spider and their gaijin allies.
We ask now that the empire follow our example and march to Toshi Ranbo and save the empire from Hantei. Our duty, is to the empire not any one man.
Aroru, you have done much to see us to this point, you have been a trusted friend and ally for the duration of the war against the yobanjin and before. You have followed every order I have given, grudgingly but loyally. A champion could not ask for a better agent, I supported you when you asked to keep an eye on the shogun and I read you and your allies' reports. Now however, I must ask that you follow the wishes of your champion and your rightful emperor Kaneka. I implore you.
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Mirumoto Machu
Dragon Clan
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Jun 17, 2011 14:11:20 GMT -5
WHAAAAAAT!!!
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