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Post by Shoju on Jun 17, 2011 14:16:05 GMT -5
Dang! Looks like I chose wrong.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jun 17, 2011 14:19:45 GMT -5
I'm not terribly familiar with the canon setting or the history of EE Rokugan. Is there history to back up this claim, or is he just posturing? I started writing a response to this, but I don't really want to bias anyone on this decision, so will simply say "Yes, there is history....but, it's complicated." Fair enough, thank you. I'd still like to perhaps see some of this lore represented in-game, though. Might it be worth adding research opportunities in various places to get information "items" to reflect different facets of this back-story? Maybe they could then be used as evidence by people to drum up support for their chosen Emperor in various courts. Or even just leave them as flavor to help players make up their own minds out of game. We Lion do pride ourselves on our histories, after all.
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Shosuro Motoyami
Scorpion Clan
I am neither madman nor fool. If you dare to cross the Scorpion, I am the consequence you must face
Posts: 155
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Post by Shosuro Motoyami on Jun 17, 2011 14:23:43 GMT -5
Now, THIS is interesting... Jay, remind me again: how is it that in our game the Hantei Line didn't end with the Second Day of Thunder? I'm not Jay but here goes. To end the Spirit war Touturi the first gave his youngest son to Hantei the fifteenth to raise. In EE when Naseru won he kept the name of the evil villian that cut out his eye instead of taking back the name of his father. This is incorrect. In canon, one of the first things Naseru does when ascending the throne is declare himself Toturi III. He said that before then, it was not his place to defy the will of the Emperor and change his name from Hantei back to Toturi. As for he beiing Toturi III, he also declared that Tsudao was from that time forward to be known as Toturi II, for her sacrifice in defeating the Dark Lord. Moyotoshi
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Post by Shoju on Jun 17, 2011 14:27:15 GMT -5
I'm not Jay but here goes. To end the Spirit war Touturi the first gave his youngest son to Hantei the fifteenth to raise. In EE when Naseru won he kept the name of the evil villian that cut out his eye instead of taking back the name of his father. This is incorrect. In canon, one of the first things Naseru does when ascending the throne is declare himself Toturi III. He said that before then, it was not his place to defy the will of the Emperor and change his name from Hantei back to Toturi. As for he beiing Toturi III, he also declared that Tsudao was from that time forward to be known as Toturi II, for her sacrifice in defeating the Dark Lord. Moyotoshi I'm unsure what point you are trying to make here Moyotoshi, as your post is of canon, as where the description you are quoting is the difference that has been stated as the "point of divergence" from canon that EE takes. From the moment where Naseru ascends the throne keeping the Hantei name to honor the steel chrystanthemum forwards is all different here in EE.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jun 17, 2011 14:32:16 GMT -5
Damn it. One one hand, I loathe the Shogun. On the other, I certainly don't want to pit the Monkey against the Scorpion, Crab, Lion, and Dragon. It's not much of a civil war when one army is pitted against three guys and a napkin. I'll have to wait for the Monkey's Official response. This does not bode well.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Jun 17, 2011 14:32:36 GMT -5
My great grandfather once burst himself into the Emperor's room and declared the possessed Emperor foul. There could be many reasons for this action now.
In the beginning, Hantei charged my bloodline with defending the Empire. We were asked to put our lives aside and make sure that everyone could live safely. Today with the announcement as the Scorpion Clan Champion has said, the Crab uphold that duty to the Empire.
Our lot is cast with the man who defends the empire. This is a land blessed by the Kami; the heavens. Kaneka-sama has done this, despite everything that has happened. All of the difficulties he has faced. Outright War, the political issues, assassination attempts and now of course this.
I heard in the Topaz Championship that they ask the young Samurai to be what is more important: The Emperor or the Empire. I suppose we're about to find out..
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Enishi
Dragon Clan
Ninja * shadow * tattooed * Mad prophet of Nothing
Posts: 254
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Post by Enishi on Jun 17, 2011 14:37:35 GMT -5
It seems the Unicorn have also sided with the Shogun, from what I could gather at Shiro Moto.
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Akodo Keisuke
Lion Clan Mod
Lion Clan Regent ?Samurai ?Daimyo ?First Among Generals ?Tactician ?Commander ?Loyal
Posts: 704
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Jun 17, 2011 15:19:14 GMT -5
There is now official Lion support for Kaneka with a new action At Shiro Akodo.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 17, 2011 15:23:56 GMT -5
...And official Lion support for Hantei as well I surmise. Every clan has a support one side or the other action in their capitol's I'm guessing except for the Unicorn.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jun 17, 2011 15:33:31 GMT -5
All is quiet in Kyuden Isawa as the members of the Elemental Council attempt to divine the true will of Tengoku, though I personally doubt the Fortunes will choose to take sides.
In all likelihood, it will come down to each man and woman deciding for themselves which side to take. Perhaps Isawa Sezaru will be able to convince his brothers - the Shogun and the Emperor - to find a reasonable way to resolve things that will not result in a second Clan War.
We are seeing increased threats from all sides: the invasion of the Yobanjin, the increases in Shadowlands activity throughout the Empire and so forth...
We cannot afford to be at each others' throats at this time. These threats will NOT sit idle while we bicker and posture amongst each other; dividing our strength now is akin to trying to use a wooden blade to kill an oni without Jade or armor.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 17, 2011 15:37:07 GMT -5
Would you like to try to kill an oni with a wooden blade, no jade, nor armor?
I would give my name to see that happen.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jun 17, 2011 15:56:58 GMT -5
I made my choice. Kenpachi is going to retire and Hirotomo is taking the mantle. We join the Shogun along with our brothers and sisters in the Dragon, Crab, Scorpion, and Lion.
Kenpachi refused to take a side. His oath was to the line of Toturi. Both are his scions. He refused to choose between them, and his dislike of the Shogun clouded his mind. His son has no such prejudice and as such now leads. Civil war sucks.
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Ojii
Dragon Clan
RONIN - Former Dragon Clan Sensei
Posts: 375
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Post by Ojii on Jun 17, 2011 15:59:20 GMT -5
Maybe you try to kill an "Ojii" instead of an "Oni" Shoju!
Dam this is GOOD! Long time sine actions did so much waves! Great Jay!
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Post by Shoju on Jun 17, 2011 16:02:15 GMT -5
No no, you misunderstand, i will give my name to summon an oni to watch Shodai battle it naked.
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Moto Yoee
Spider Clan
The Dark Clown
Posts: 194
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Post by Moto Yoee on Jun 17, 2011 16:16:53 GMT -5
Totally in favor of Kaneka for Emperorship stuff.
Dunno why, but if it ends up in the Khan marching on Toshi Ranbo... well that'd be an interesting twist, wouldn't it?
The Khan abides.
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