Akodo Tomatsu
Lion Clan Mod
The Shining Lion
Lion Clan Champion?Samurai?Tactician?Loyal?Paragon of Sincerity?Defender of the Empire
Posts: 1,042
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Post by Akodo Tomatsu on Jun 19, 2011 16:12:56 GMT -5
Has been announced. Thanks for the congratulations both here and on our private forums guys. Great to know I'm loved
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Post by Akodo Tsanuri on Jun 19, 2011 16:18:42 GMT -5
Kaneka [...] has shown that he has no honor, he has no respect, and he is a fool. Please forgive my rudness Chuda-san, but as I can understand your concerns about the matter, don't you think you said too much? I will ask you to reconcider your words before something that can't be undone happenes.
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Post by Shoju on Jun 19, 2011 18:33:52 GMT -5
Kaneka [...] has shown that he has no honor, he has no respect, and he is a fool. Please forgive my rudness Chuda-san, but as I can understand your concerns about the matter, don't you think you said too much? I will ask you to reconcider your words before something that can't be undone happenes. I'm sorry, I don't follow. I stand with the one true Son of Heaven. What words would you ask me to reconsider? Calling Kaneka's honor into question?
He has no honor. An honorable samurai would never raise a blade against his lord, let alone the Son of Heaven. Calling Kaneka's respect into question?
He is defying the Celestial Order and Tengoku itself. Defiance of these shows a lack of respect for them. Calling Kaneka a fool?
Even I, whom some have branded a traitor, an abomination, a menace, would never be as crass as Kaneka has shown himself to be. He is a fool for thinking that he can defy the Celestial Order. He is a fool for raising a blade against the Son of Heaven. One of the many lessons that I have learned since my first death; There are most assuredly punishments worse than death. I fear not the retribution of the self proclaimed Shogun and Usurper to the throne. My cause is just and true. I stand with Tengoku. I stand with the Son of Heaven.
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Post by tadakasan on Jun 19, 2011 21:11:49 GMT -5
Hm. Well I suppose one must do what one thinks is right, whether it is right or wrong, tradition or blasphemy; No matter what one does they will find reasoning to back it up. Reality is not so subjective as that, but neither is it absolute.
I have had my say on what is tradition and the laws the Kami gave us. One can only choose what to believe and listen to from it, as well as what prejudices they will have towards such a view.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 20, 2011 0:42:37 GMT -5
Though it saddens this Scorpion's heart to see his subjects speaking against him, he applauds them of their loyalty and devotion to what they believe is right. They are true paragons of loyalty, and are some of the best examples of worthy scorpion men. As such, I am officially releasing Aroru and Hisa from their duty to me. I have faith that they will continue to act in the best interests of the empire as they have proven themselves more then capable of in the past.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jun 20, 2011 1:39:10 GMT -5
Your generosity is notable Bayushi-sama. It breaks my heart to see this situation turn brothers into enemies. There will come a time for peace and healing. I just hope our wayward brethren will accept our peace when this horrible business is over.
I don't know if there are any ronin around, but there is an official deceleration from the Monkey Champion. Any Wave Man who will swear loyalty to the Monkey and Emporer Toturi III is welcome as a new Monkey. You may have fallen between the cracks, but you have a chance to regain your honor. Fight for your Emperor.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jun 20, 2011 2:11:05 GMT -5
I've been thinking... What exactly was the law that the Kami passed down regarding the Emperor? Where they talking about the title, the man, or the line?
The original Hantei line ended, as I understand it. Was the Toturi line ever made "official" by the Kami? If not, was it ever really legitimate? If so, why go back to the name of Hantei at all? Are either of these two men what the Kami intended?
Kaneka was the eldest son and was meant to be Emperor until he abdicated. But is it even possible for a mortal man to abdicate a title and duty bestowed upon him by the Kami?
We know what the first Emperor was, because the Kami told us so. The Son of Heaven, etc. But what about all those that came after? Did they mean the line to be hereditary, or were we just a one-off for them? What about all the inevitable politics, chances of birth or death, and simple mistakes that inevitably wind their way into history? Where does the position of Emperor stop being Heaven-mandated and start being political?
What does it really mean to be Emperor?
Perhaps I've been spending too much time amongst my Dragon brethren, but the more I think about this dilemma the less clear-cut it seems to me. My clan may have decided on its path, but I myself just don't know...
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Jun 20, 2011 3:18:23 GMT -5
Oh my, I wasn't actually expecting answers, least of all so quickly. Thank you. I'll have to consider this further.
(( OOC: These questions are as much out of character as in. I admit, despite enjoying the setting and theme, the actual culture of Rokugan is a difficult thing for me to really understand, coming from a completely different one as I do and having spent so little time playing in it. I appreciate you lending me some perspective, since you clearly know a lot more about it than I do. ))
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Jun 20, 2011 14:39:05 GMT -5
...So considering Sezaru's taken a more public role of late, I'm rather curious to see if he'll weigh in on this matter at all.
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Post by Akodo Tsanuri on Jun 20, 2011 14:55:09 GMT -5
Chuda-san I don't understand what you don't follow. As you call man to whom my lord sworn loyalty unhonorable and unrespectful I must ask you to support your words with sword.
(sorry if it's not a topic to fluff I'm still learning about this forum)
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Post by Shoju on Jun 20, 2011 15:19:45 GMT -5
This is mostly just a banter / ic but not 'really' ic type of discussion to help people get an idea of the "air" around the move. Now, if you want to come to an RP thread and challenge me during the course of RP, Then..... Sure
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
Posts: 418
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Post by Alesha on Jun 21, 2011 2:58:41 GMT -5
To support a bastard son-of-geisha, who exploited Emperor's kindness and betrayed him, by abusing position of Shogun entrusted to him by Son of Heaven to raise army to oppose Celestial Order itself?
Is there a choice for samurai in this matter?
There is no either/or arguments in this matter for samurai. There is only one honourable choice or treason.
That choice is to answer Emperor's call and bring traitors to justice.
What pains me is the Lion clan's choice. Right Hand of Emperor, chose to turn against him. Dishonouring their Kami and anscestors for all time to come. The Dragon madness can be understood, Crab's momentary stupidity will surely come to pass, and barbarious Unicorn can be excused for their ignorance. But for Lion there is no excuse, their champion must commit seppuku and his sucessor must do what clan duty commands to erase this stain on clan's honour.
Kakita Alesha
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 21, 2011 8:43:48 GMT -5
And who are you to make such a demand of him? Are you his lord? No? Are you Toturi III? No... Are you the divine? hmm, surely not. What pains me is that this Crane seems to overestimate his worth. Does he even know what his lord wants?
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jun 21, 2011 8:53:42 GMT -5
"Emperor Hantei the 40th has called all true and loyal samurai to oppose this treachery by renewing their pledge of loyalty to the Hantei dynasty." - It's what the Emperor wants Senshi-san. And if there's a person who's overestimating his worth, that would most probably be Kaneka.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Jun 21, 2011 9:59:40 GMT -5
This from the Dragon with no loyalty to his clan. But I think its important to point out. We have reached a precipice. This is the first time that blood has been demanded. Irregardless of side in this war, irregardless of loyalty to an emperor even (and I think I should know something of loyalty), I never thought I would see the day where a nobody would demand the death of one of the most glorious lords of this empire. Had it not occurred to you that the Lion would have cause to support Toturi for the role of Emperor?
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