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Post by Akodo Tsanuri on Jul 21, 2011 12:16:48 GMT -5
As I recall Phoenix shugenja can't kill anybody even in self-defence. So as long as nobody attacks them, they don't move their asses a bit. And if if they will if they only scatter our armies we can reassembly and attack again until we win.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 21, 2011 12:28:56 GMT -5
That's why they will be answering to me during the conflict. Pacifism will be met with 're-purposing'.
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Post by scorpionshadow on Jul 21, 2011 12:37:29 GMT -5
Well, can really anyone foretell the ending of this war? It's really already over before it starts? Will the tides nor turn and shift, promising surprises in every turn?
Much is to come, for better or worst... Mostly for worst.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 21, 2011 13:02:15 GMT -5
This war is going to be awful, bloody, brutal, and many will lose their lives. I fear at this point, there are only 2 solutions to this conflict.
1.) Kaneka admits he made a poor decision, asks for the right to commit seppuku, and exonerates all conspirators.
2.) This is going to come to blows.
My hope is that Kaneka comes to his senses. The Empire has been made weaker by his decision, and no matter what, from this point on, will continue to be weakened until these events have been seen to their conclusion.
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Jul 21, 2011 13:16:53 GMT -5
Kasumi, for clarification, your clan wasn't given a choice. Everyone COULD choose as an individual, but the Unicorn had to support Kaneka. My clan didn't have a choice - as a clan. But no one said that a single samurai can't break out (to be honest I was near Crane's land... and supported Hantei before I went back to Unicorn's land... breaking my vow is a big no no - especially that Kasumi is a big anti-Kaneka person... so she's showing him her middle finger and does as her mother and grandmother ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ) At least Utaku Kasumi-san drew her katana instead her scimitar, its something, right? I can take my lance instead... if you insist Besides... I wouldn't dare to stain my scimitar on someone unworthy... katana is good enough for that. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) You think you can educate them in a month so they will be able to stand against well-trained and what's more important experienced armies? Can't wait to see that. You may not fear the horde. But you will fear us when we came to capture your castles. Please, come with all you've got. (says with an indian accent: "please, come again!") Do not get me wrong, Yatsuki-sama. Your family's sharp dealing have been well documented. I still do not much believe that you are capable of training a force that can withstand the vast majority of the largest armies on earth. Two of you allies only have two families that maintain any militaristic traditions. The Daidoji, and the Shiba will surely lead the combat. You have the Dragon, and their force is without senior leadership. We have the largest army, navy, and cavalry on our side. The Tsurichi and Hiruma will harass your armies, while the Hida and Matsu destroy them. The charge of the Utaku will lack some members, and that is regrettable. Don't worry though, when this is all over, the commoners will have been well protected. The rice will flow, you will be given amnesty, and we can go back to killing gaijin and Maho-tsuki. You see, sweet Lion-boy... Who said... that Utaku will be there? I am their Daimyo. I refuse to bow to Kaneka. My Emperor is Hantei. No one convinced me that my choice is wrong when I've asked question "Why". My spirit is free and no one can bind it down. I will not bow to anyone who's not worthy of it in my eyes. And I will welcome every Unicorn who thinks the same... to follow me and kick your almighty butts *smirks* (JAY! Civil war of Unicorn Clan? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) ) Plus... if you want to kill gaijin so much... why your precious Shogun... is trying to do deals with them, hm? Don't you think it's a little lip service? That just makes me smile, you know... be able to kill more Lions. Even just for that... I'd stay on Hantei's side. Just make my day, please! Enjoy! ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Jul 21, 2011 13:49:28 GMT -5
By the fortunes o.o
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jul 21, 2011 14:08:13 GMT -5
As I recall Phoenix shugenja can't kill anybody even in self-defence. So as long as nobody attacks them, they don't move their asses a bit. And if if they will if they only scatter our armies we can reassembly and attack again until we win. It is true that pacifism is common among the Phoenix. Common, but not universal. The Agasha family is almost as militaristic as the Shiba (a residue of our Dragon heritage.) Further, we tend to be pacifistic because when we make war, the world trembles before us because we talk softly and carry a stick that makes Ningen-do our weapon. Might I remind you of what happened the last time the Phoenix started a conflict that we decided we HAD to win... l5r.wikia.com/wiki/Five_Nights_of_ShameWhile my predecessors have made an oath to never go to this extent again, we still know how to fight.
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jul 21, 2011 14:09:23 GMT -5
That's why they will be answering to me during the conflict. Pacifism will be met with 're-purposing'. Not even if it was a choice between answering to you or bowing to Kaneka as the new Emperor of all Rokugan.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 21, 2011 14:10:33 GMT -5
![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Oh, come on, I'm a NICE GUY!
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
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Post by Takezo on Jul 21, 2011 14:12:14 GMT -5
This war is going to be awful, bloody, brutal, and many will lose their lives. I fear at this point, there are only 2 solutions to this conflict. 1.) Kaneka admits he made a poor decision, asks for the right to commit seppuku, and exonerates all conspirators. 2.) This is going to come to blows. My hope is that Kaneka comes to his senses. The Empire has been made weaker by his decision, and no matter what, from this point on, will continue to be weakened until these events have been seen to their conclusion. Since when does a samurai value peace? The empire has been weakened by the venality and petulance of simpering courtiers who jokingly refer to themselves as "samurai". Concerned more with trade, flower-arranging, gossip and random debauchery, they have spread through the courts of Rokugan like a cancer, or a forest of weeds. Let the fires of war burn them out. Hantei, the dwindled remains of a once-great line, cowers behind his wall of officials. Has he lifted a sword, ever? As part of a Crane-orchestrated ceremony, I am sure. Toturi's value is not the peace or stability he might bring to Rokugan, but the opposite - he will cut the cancer from the flesh of the land so that warriors can once again raise their heads in honor and say "I am Rokugani. I am samurai". Let the fires burn and the blood flow. Let the wind carry cries of anguish. Such is war, as painful as it is cleansing. A moral reckoning. I will certainly play my part in it.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 21, 2011 14:20:50 GMT -5
If you truly believe that the Empire has been weakened by the inclusion of the politicians, I will not debate that point with you Takezo-san.
But to not see the dark storm upon the horizon and the devastation that it brings with it is shortsighted at best, uncaring at worst.
Nothing comes from this war but further weakening the Empire as a whole. Are you truly prepared to march upon former Clansmen?
Are you prepared to meet your former brothers with steel on the battlefield? Look at what this has already cost the Empire?! Clans turning on one another and gnashing teeth at one another. A champion leaving his post, leaving his clan further weakened.
I say that Rokugan is lucky that a venerable man like my Lord strives to bring order to the Shadowlands. For in this dark time, the mad men of the past would truly crush the empire in its weakened state.
What happens when the gaijin armies decide now is the time to strike at the heart of Rokugan? What happens when the Ivory Kingdoms land on our shores and begin destroying both sides while you bicker? What happens when the Senpet ride from the west? Or the Yobanjin from the North?
This is not a cleansing. This is amputation.
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jul 21, 2011 15:04:23 GMT -5
![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Oh, come on, I'm a NICE GUY! ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) Your definition of "nice guy" and mine are decidedly different, Shoju.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 21, 2011 15:09:09 GMT -5
Its ok, you can admit that your definition is wrong. i wont hold it against you.
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Post by tadakasan on Jul 21, 2011 17:06:06 GMT -5
Hmhmhm... *chuckles* So many voices so loud. Let me see what I can pick out with these ears of mine.
To Homura-sama; If there were no victories of the Crane over the Lion, the northern Crane lands would have become Lion provinces long ago. Now, as to the matter of military victories, there are probably few recorded examples I will admit. The Crane seem to keep their methods close to their chests, and thus their victories as well.
To Hirotomo-sama; The Lion may have that many to spare, but we shall have to wait and see how many of them choose to follow their Champion and mobilize. Though that could also be said for the Phoenix; the unusual nature of this war makes conventional wisdom somewhat obsolete. (my way of representing how many Lion clicks there might be).
To Hisa-sama; Whether the Children of Tadaka still are out there... I suppose you might ask Tadaka-sama, if one can find him.
To Homura-sama again; The Phoenix are peaceful, but they have no such vows. They are reluctant to take lives, but there have been many cases in the past that they have taken to the battlefield; they are more than willing to kill in the name of peace. You may be thinking of the Crane's Asahina family; they do have such a vow.
To Shoju-san; I don't think a re-purposing of the Phoenix is going to happen, forgive my lack of confidence in your charms. The Phoenix will fight on their own terms, even if they must fight to do so.
To Shoju-san again; There are plenty more outcomes than just two. Though, once again, you will have to forgive my lack of confidence, this time in your intelligence however.
To Kasumi-sama; Utaku-dono herself as well as Kumiko-dono both used katanas; if both of the Thunders that came from your esteemed family used katanas, it seems strange to me that you would be so crass as to say your scimitar is worth more.
To Takezo-sama; I pray you would not use such fire and passion to spread words that are not true. Peace has been part of the life of a samurai since the founding of the Empire. One of the first commands of the Kami Hantei as the first Emperor was that no Clan shall make was on another Clan. And for almost ten centuries, that was more or less true; There were wars yes; the first Yasuki war, the Battle of White Stag... but you could count the number of times the people of Rokugan fought themselves in wars on one hand. The more violent part of a samurai's life has only come into prominence lately, as the unprecedented amount of wars and violent catastrophes has made the warriors of the Empire more and more bold, claiming that a samurai is defined by violence and war. If you believed the Lion, this was always true, despite the evidence to the contrary. Even to this day, one of the tenants of Bushido is compassion, and if one looks at the definition of it in Akodo's Leadership one will read this; "A farmer does not raise crops to feed himself. Neither does a samurai make war for himself; he makes war to protect others. Not to mention everyone here seems to be forgetting Courtesy; "A samurai is neither a killer nor a brute; he is a warrior who shows Courtesy and respect to his enemies." That certainly sounds nothing like calling those you wish to make war with cancers that shall be burned out by the fires of war. Another note of point is your comments about the Hantei dynasty. Hantei Naseru is not part of that dynasty; he is a son of Toturi the First, the same dynasty and line as Toturi Kaneka. I thought this was common knowledge and that Hantei Naseru's name was only due to the will of Toturi the First from the time of the War of Spirits, when Oblivion's Gate was opened? Still, even if you show ignorance in history, Bushido, and the running of the Empire, you are still samurai. You may not be a Champion at the moment, but I still refer to you as sama since your deeds are great and your position as a ronin does not change those deeds. And there are grains of truth in what you say. It would be best for you and for the Empire though if you did not lace those grains with poison and ignorance.
To Shoju; Perhaps if you wish to avoid bloodshed you could confess you are in error? If you keep your opinion and those you speak ill of keep theirs, you are as much a part of this amputation as them.
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*snaps his tessen shut* Still, I suppose there is little love for a critic, especially one from a minor clan who seems to presume too much. I do not mean to; I address you all to your station and attempt only to prevent misunderstandings and calamity among the people of the Empire. If war must be made, so be it. But if it is not done with complete understanding, virtue, and thoughts of all the consequences, but instead with fire and venom and hatred, then this war shall have no winners. Only losers. And all the heimin shall shake in fear of their masters so eager to kill each other...
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Mirumoto Machu
Dragon Clan
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Jul 21, 2011 17:07:35 GMT -5
While I do not support Hantei or Touturi I will defend my mountian home from the armies of the Lion. Mountians that have never been conqured by an enemy. Remember it is a common held notion that Crane are the best duelists, Lion are the best soldiers in the feild and Dragon are the best skirmishers. The Lion will find few feilds among the mountian paths.
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