Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jul 21, 2011 19:40:45 GMT -5
True, there are members that don't follow Clan lines. It's unusual from the point of normal Rokugani tradition. Very few stray from their Clan paths. As we are each individuals in this matter, theoretical numbers, are different than real numbers. Who knows how many will change sides so to speak to uphold their clan, or who may continue their individualism.
I for one don't think that whole families should support another and forsake their Clan. We had the vote, it spoke. I don't think the Kitsuki should be able to pull away cause they sided with Hantei when their Daimyo was pro-Toturi, anymore than the Yatsuki or the Utaku should pull away en mass because their leaders loved Hantei.
For the Unicorn, yeah Toturi pulled their collective butts out of the fire while Hantei said nothing and others accused him of acting rashly. It's honor that debts are repaid, and as Toturi did something while everyone else sat on their collective hands, seeing him on the Throne is far better than someone who would have gotten there too late. I wonder if any Unicorn would love Toturi if he sat on his hands with everybody else while their lands and people burned.
I know the Minor Clans will have little to add in this matter. There are only one maybe two or three active members per Minor Clan. Heck, the only Minor Clan member that has been more active in the game than me is a Badger. We won't add much, but we will add. I've managed to get a few old friends to play the game. Each click will add up. Maybe the samurai that sided with the one their Clan opposed will retract, maybe they won't, it will a be very different case if that happens.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Jul 21, 2011 21:07:01 GMT -5
Actually, the Yasuki do have a history of pulling away en masse. That's not what's going on here, we are operating within the bounds set by our champion but we did use to be crane....twice!
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jul 21, 2011 21:12:19 GMT -5
But pulling away from the more profitable venture is out of character. Yes, Families have joined other Clans. Most Clans have Families that were of another Clan. If that's the case, then we want the Daidoji.
I feel like it's dodgeball and the last one to be picked will be the Spider. "No you take him!" "Uh uhh, it's your turn, you havfta pick him!"
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Post by tadakasan on Jul 21, 2011 21:19:44 GMT -5
I have definitely come to the conclusion that the best way to solve this would be a duel between Kaneka-sama and Naseru-sama; it is a conflict between them, they should keep it that way. Surely each has enough honor and protection at the moment with things how they are to see that such a thing would be fairly done. And one would hope both would see the wisdom of coming to an honorable conclusion with less bloodshed of Rokugani citizens, for the future of the Empire they both seem to be concerned about.
Kaneka would have his honorable fight, Naseru would get the chance to prove he is honorable and not a coward, and... well I personally see no downsides to that.
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Bayushi Hisa
Scorpion Clan
Samurai * Courtier * Dark Paragon of Will * Loyal
Posts: 479
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Jul 21, 2011 21:36:04 GMT -5
I feel like it's dodgeball and the last one to be picked will be the Spider. "No you take him!" "Uh uhh, it's your turn, you havfta pick him!" The Spider are Elan? ![](http://www.giantitp.com/comics/images/oots0002.gif)
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Jul 21, 2011 22:27:04 GMT -5
I have definitely come to the conclusion that the best way to solve this would be a duel between Kaneka-sama and Naseru-sama; it is a conflict between them, they should keep it that way. Surely each has enough honor and protection at the moment with things how they are to see that such a thing would be fairly done. And one would hope both would see the wisdom of coming to an honorable conclusion with less bloodshed of Rokugani citizens, for the future of the Empire they both seem to be concerned about. Kaneka would have his honorable fight, Naseru would get the chance to prove he is honorable and not a coward, and... well I personally see no downsides to that. I've suggested this more than once and am in full agreement. Hantei could choose a Champion if he must but this would be best. And not without custom either - some wars or battles are resolved when two leaders or generals duel. This could be an elegant example of that. I certainly think Kaneka would be keen - he trusts in his skills. I would hope Hantei would choose Hachi or another to duel on his behalf and would actually go along with this to save the lives of his subjects but... I think he'll probably prefer to hold onto power so may not risk it. Still, I would love to see Toturi make the offer at least. If Hantei turned it down then... well, it'd show the world how cowardly he is. No doubt he'd phrase it in such a way as "I, being the true Emperor, do not have to fight a traitor!"". Oh well. It'd be so much easier. And if Hantei won - nobody would ever question his ability again!
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Mirumoto Machu
Dragon Clan
Advantage: Different school Shiba bushi. Dissadvantage: Missing limb
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Jul 21, 2011 22:47:38 GMT -5
It would be a shame to let two armies howling for each others blood go to waste. I figure even if there was a duel it would not be over quickly. Accusations of cheating would be made by the losers. The winners would not accept a surrender and return to normal from "the other side." EE Rokugan is in for a nasty bloody, conflict. Wich will be interesting stories and fun gameing as long as we don't take it personally.
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Jul 21, 2011 22:56:29 GMT -5
(OOC: I dont expect the lion to win because they are martial badasses. But because they are supported by multiple martial badasses. Frankly I get tired of playing a lion from time to time because everyone expects lion characters to be total douchebags most of the time and respond in kind. Everyone expects you to behave like a matsu when really they are only one family among 3 much less aggressive/retarded families. But anyway i digress. Most often the crane are able to win due to an ability to make the Imperial families feel sorry for them. In this instance that method of attack is not possible as the empire is no longer united. The only force Hantei has over the lion is through sheer force of arms which in canon would not be nearly enough due to the fact that all the martial clans do not support him. Frankly if this were a campaign i were running, the phoenix and the crane would not be enough to win as most of the phoenix have moral quandries against fighting and the two that do are probably not large enough to fight against armies of unicorn, lion, mantis, and crab who all have their own shugenja as well with powers outside even that of the phoenix [the kitsu and their ancestral calling powers, the fox and their weird connection with nature, the bat and whatever it is they have]. However, this is not a game im running and most likely a game decided because of clicks. I find this would cheapen the fight as it would not take into account the setting in its fullness, but really when you think about it there isn't much one can do. Martial characters get rather boring cause everyone plays them and adventuring and killing loses interest after awhile. I dont know any particular compromise for that so i assume we are either going to have a war in which one side or the other of the player base is going to be made upset with the outcome. Therefore i think it more likely that this will not be ended by full out confrontation. I expect Jay to create something that changes the circumstances in the story drastically sooner or later... though i would prefer a duel between the two, but i doubt naseru would agree to that. Why play a game you're unlikely to win? I dont mean that to be insulting but just sound strategy as naseru is a shrewd and skilled politician where as kaneka is the same in military strategy.
Frankly i agree a lot with Karone's points. It would seem best for all of Rokugan.
And something i have been dying to say about the destruction of the snake as a testament to phoenix power... no one gives a shit. Congratulations on defeating a minor clan that was on its own with support from nobody. That means almost nothing. There i said it. )
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Jul 21, 2011 23:33:32 GMT -5
...Like defeating the Tonbo?
Gomen, gomen, could not resist, being Monkey and all. We'll see how this ends. You all can duke it out until you're happy. I'll be protecting the common folk.
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Jul 22, 2011 2:22:12 GMT -5
To Kasumi-sama; Utaku-dono herself as well as Kumiko-dono both used katanas; if both of the Thunders that came from your esteemed family used katanas, it seems strange to me that you would be so crass as to say your scimitar is worth more. If you were on the battlefield of Mountain Watch Keep, you would see me using scimitar. I use it to take lives of those that are not a samurai. Their blood is worthy to feed it. Katana is to kill samurai. Wait... it's to prove I am right *chuckles* when other samurai thinks that I am wrong. Probably used wrong words to say what I wanted to say... blame it... on my Gaijin blood *smirks*
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Bayushi Haruka
Scorpion Clan
OOC Cleanup Crew
Samurai? Battle Maiden? Cavalry? Paragon of Courage? Friend of the Lion
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Post by Bayushi Haruka on Jul 22, 2011 3:13:13 GMT -5
By the kami, the way you're talking sounds... worse than Shoju right now. I believe he too has a 'hungering blade'.
Katana's are the soul of the samurai.. don't lose yourself in the bloodlust of battle. I was Shiotome, we are not senseless warriors. Our purity is our calling, do not lose your senses to the dark heart of war Kasumi-san! It is not our way, it is not the way of Bushido.. it sounds as though a different line of thinking...
COURTESY (REI) “Samurai have no reason to be cruel. They do not need to prove their strength. A samurai is courteous even to his enemies. Without this outward show of respect, we are nothing more than animals. A samurai is not only respected for his strength in battle, but also by his dealings with other men. The true inner strength of a samurai becomes apparent during difficult times.” – AKODO’S LEADERSHIP.
Kasumi-san, please consider your words of wrath and war! I do not ask you to stand down, I do not ask you to abandon the call of your heart, but do not allow your heart to be consumed by the darkness of Shourido.
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Post by Shoju on Jul 22, 2011 6:38:21 GMT -5
My sword thirsts for the blood of one man. It just sates itself on anything else until the point it can be fully satisfied.
Long response to all this hullabaloo later.
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Jul 22, 2011 7:45:41 GMT -5
By the kami, the way you're talking sounds... worse than Shoju right now. I believe he too has a 'hungering blade'. Katana's are the soul of the samurai.. don't lose yourself in the bloodlust of battle. I was Shiotome, we are not senseless warriors. Our purity is our calling, do not lose your senses to the dark heart of war Kasumi-san! It is not our way, it is not the way of Bushido.. it sounds as though a different line of thinking... COURTESY (REI) “Samurai have no reason to be cruel. They do not need to prove their strength. A samurai is courteous even to his enemies. Without this outward show of respect, we are nothing more than animals. A samurai is not only respected for his strength in battle, but also by his dealings with other men. The true inner strength of a samurai becomes apparent during difficult times.” – AKODO’S LEADERSHIP. Kasumi-san, please consider your words of wrath and war! I do not ask you to stand down, I do not ask you to abandon the call of your heart, but do not allow your heart to be consumed by the darkness of Shourido. Haruka - do you guys always RP here? For God's sake - let me be evil one at least once! If I want to RP... I'd go to RP threads... not NEWS! Geez... guys... You are breaking my heart, seriouslly... *headdesks*
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Jul 22, 2011 8:48:06 GMT -5
MOD mode on: This is a thread for NEWS from Jay to you, players. I want you to understand that any "real" RP here is something that shouldn't be allowed. IF you want to RP - make a proper thread or use those that are already used. Can you imagine Hantei's and Toturi's supporters being all on the same spot to talk and debate about their choices? This is a bit... freaky. You can not use a telepathy to do it. You do not have mirriors that helps you to communicate with those that are miles away from you. So, I want you to think about your positions and stop RPGing on NEWS... or do like Shoju or me - have fun without being serious. Whatever I do here... is not RP (I am not myself nor Kasumi - mostly, just to comment news in some funny or insane way). Again - any RP should be moved to a proper place/thread. And I do not wish to see flames here. Are we clear? MOD mode off. Geez! Stop being silly guys! It's just a place to enjoy Jay giving us more toys! Shame on you for forcing me to put my MOD's uniform *sulks* EDIT: So you don't get me wrong. I see nothing wrong with IC/OC fun. But remember that this is not real RP thread. Some people are taking it too far and need to be stopped ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star_red.png)
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jul 22, 2011 10:11:59 GMT -5
She has a point. If this many Hantei / Toturi supporters were in the same place at the same time, there would be a lot more duels and a lot fewer supporters... I apologize for my role in adding to this mess.
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