Bayushi Hisa
Scorpion Clan
Samurai * Courtier * Dark Paragon of Will * Loyal
Posts: 479
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Aug 12, 2011 16:38:26 GMT -5
I agree kiso. Setting wise, it makes sense that what those 3 decide what is best. But, mechanically it is a different story as the overwhelming majority of scorpion clan players arent on the forums
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Aug 12, 2011 16:55:32 GMT -5
And I'm sure that those who remain with Daigotsu will not think to test it. I mean, surely Once you have beaten back an enemy and so brazenly offended them, they will simply go away right? I won't speak for those who remained in the City of the Lost, but logic would say preparedness is key. Of course they'll test it. I'm simply not convinced that the Spider can succeed in a direct assault. Slipping a handful of maho-tsukai through gaps in defenses is an entirely different beast from gathering an army and smashing your way through. You may have succeeded at the former, but the latter? No, I don't buy it.
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Post by Shoju on Aug 12, 2011 16:58:55 GMT -5
Well, I RP'd having an entire legion at TR, but I wouldn't have gone anywhere near the wall to move them.
Right now, I'm really curious to see how the vote comes out. I highly doubt that this vote will result in more infiltration. Heads are gonna roll.
I'm not putting my normal gusto into it, since I'm rping that I'm separating from the Spider. Not much I can do to help the Spider now.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Aug 12, 2011 17:23:16 GMT -5
Crush the Lion!!! Anyway I was wondering how these jobs are going to work? Are the number of times a job is done being counted? If the count of a Hantei job (say EC skirmish with Lion) is higher than the opposite Toturi job, does that mean the attack is successful? I'm just curious. Great additions btw Jay! Domo arigato.
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Post by bodhibloodwave on Aug 12, 2011 17:32:04 GMT -5
That is how i'm reading the actions personally, since each action by one side has a logical counter action for the other.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Aug 12, 2011 18:16:45 GMT -5
I am very glad I had over 300 Medium Infantry.
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Kakita Ishida
Crane Clan
Duelist, Courtier, and Seeker of Enlightenment
Posts: 4
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Post by Kakita Ishida on Aug 12, 2011 20:22:22 GMT -5
I find it funny that the Scorpion are considering serving someone who bears the Toturi name over that of a pure, uncorrupted Hantei. Those who bear the name Toturi have really only caused the Scorpion clan nothing but trouble and shame. I hope they remember and join the faithful of Hantei rather than the usurper.
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Post by Morito Mori on Aug 12, 2011 20:25:58 GMT -5
The percentage may not be 60%, Jay, but at 500 votes, that's a serious amount. 500 Votes is a lot of people. That's 50 people single-mastering it. Its not that much. It is also only 7 people burning 70 scorpion favors to jade and emerald mastery (plus one more doing a jade mastery). Hell, Senshi, Haruka, and Kiso together could account for those 500 clicks, we simply do not know. I know I have gone through 35 scorpion favors since our vote was extended. Would you be happy if as little as 3 people decided your clan future? Hello Everyone, I know I don't post here much (hard to roleplay with noone in your clan on the forums) but I think we all need a little perspective. The gap is 500 votes. The Entire Mantis Clan voted about 600 times altogether, including both sides, so what you're saying is a gap equal to nearly an entire great clan in size is "too close to call." As an outsider this seems rather silly. And as to wether those 500 hundred votes is only 3 people; So? There are 2 people in the Dragon Clan that routinely vote about a 1000 times together or so I've been told. As a result the Dragon Support Hantei. This isn't rocket science. It could have been those 3. It could have been 500 people voting once. That is all speculation. All I know is I wish the freaking Presidential elections in the US had been this clean cut once in the 23 years I've been alive. I'm honestly shocked that its only the Scorpion clan stuck in this loop; as the vote numbers increase this downward spiral of what I imagine is incredibly tedious Scorpion favor grinding , gets harder and harder to escape. Kind of like a black hole of boring (like trying to lead a clan like say the Ox who noone plays on the foprums for example.) Let me make another argument; between the Dragon and Crane populations vrs the entire Kaneka alliance (sorry Phoenix and Spider) they can club Kaneja like a quadrapalegic baby seal in a clicking war. We might as well declare them the victors now and end this because noone likes a long drawn out beating. Only way this might end as a semi fair fight is if the Scorpion join Kaneka. Because they will never ever at this rate join Hantei even if half of Kaneka/Toturi's supporters died at their computers. The gap is too large. Its also not fair to make them continue their grind and miss out on a perfectly fun war while they farm Scorpion favors and little else. I played a Scorpion before I made Mori and I recall them having special actions; I would not be surprised if they had new ones noone is doing because all they can afford to do at this moment is vote pointlessly for their choice faction like some kind of Flash game Vietnam. Please let the kids play coach, I think they're ready. Morito Mori Ox Clan Champion Lance officianado. Most likely clan to get murdered by the Phoenix and dragon in this war.
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Kitsu Natsuki
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Daimyo * Shugenja * Sodan-senzo * Loyal * Ambassador to the Dragon
Posts: 162
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Post by Kitsu Natsuki on Aug 12, 2011 20:28:44 GMT -5
I find it funny that the Scorpion are considering serving someone who bears the Toturi name over that of a pure, uncorrupted Hantei. Those who bear the name Toturi have really only caused the Scorpion clan nothing but trouble and shame. I hope they remember and join the faithful of Hantei rather than the usurper. Really? Toturi I, the Splendid Emperor was the one who restored the Scorpion to Great Clan status - twice! Without the Toturi, the Scorpion wouldn't even be around now.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 12, 2011 20:29:42 GMT -5
Pure, uncorrupted Hantei? Oh, perfect joke, i'd say. So pure that he sends assasins on his brothers to make sure his the only one with right to the throne. So uncorrupted that he appoints on high position man of questionable honor and loyalty, who betrayed his family and now act as someone else.
I wonder what Cranes are doing here when they should haste to the south and prepare defenses against marching Crab...
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Aug 12, 2011 20:34:03 GMT -5
Naseru is a son of Toturi. Neither candidate can make such a gregarious claim as being an uncorrupted Hantei. They are both descendent from a ronin. Just saiyan. And read the wise words of Morito Mori.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Aug 12, 2011 20:47:59 GMT -5
I have little to add except that I agree with everything the Ox Clan champion has said. I'm too tired to explain now, but maybe I'll get a post in the morning.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 12, 2011 21:02:53 GMT -5
Although Ishida-san's post was naïve, I must ask when the involvement of Hantei Naseru in the events described by Shigekazu-san was ever proven. I may be missing something important (mainly because it hasn't been long since I joined) but I see accusations devoid of proof and now, more than ever, we would do well to remember the teachings of the Kitsuki investigators.
Also, what would the Emperor have to gain from "trying" to assassinate his half brother? If he really wanted him dead he had just to command so. Thus, even in the case he is, indeed, guilty of these accusations, I think there's a deeper reason here that is being grossly overlooked.
About the claims to the throne, the Emperor is the legitimate son of Toturi I and Toturi Kaede, while the Shogun is the illegitimate son of Toturi I and a geisha. I won't even argue which one has better claim as it is so plain to see.
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Kakita Mitsouko
Crane Clan Mod
::Daimyo::Kenshinzen::Hatamoto of Crane Clan::Paragon of Duty
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Aug 12, 2011 21:19:33 GMT -5
In OCC side, if there was a mission "Checking the Attempts of Assassination against Kaneka's Evidences" I haven't seen it. In IC mode, of course, I am also waiting for the proofs... Some people were hastily to join sides based solely in rumors, without ever seeing any proof. Only the more exalted and naive samurai would consider defending such claim against a Emperor, even if it wasn't Naseru, without any hint of veracity of the fact at hand. But there's the ones fantasizing what they need to fantasize in order to get excuses to do what they wish to do.
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Yasuki Chad
Crane Clan
Crab Clan
*Crab Clan Courtier *Experienced *Samurai *Daimyo *Hero *Experienced *Commander
Posts: 476
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Aug 12, 2011 22:23:38 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone that Proof in Rokugan is a laughable concept to all clans except the dragon. Testimony is everything and Kaneka is a very highly ranked man.
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