Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Aug 12, 2011 22:23:54 GMT -5
Let the Scorpion have their own say on what they do.
I don't feel that giving the Scorpion automatically to the Toturi side is going to be fair at all. It disregards the collective effort of those Scorpion who have lobbied for the Hantei all this time. Yes, they are at a stalemate right now, but this is war, if you cannot join the battle at least delay others from joining as well. The Scorpion are in no way missing out on the fun. Jay even gave them their own jobs at Seven Stings Keep. Plus any Scorpion can still join their own sides by doing jobs at other locations. Lastly, the Toturi side had the Unicorn's support from the start, even without a vote, so I think sides are still balanced.
As for Dragon voting, the silent majority spoke. Nobody forced anybody. Even if you take out mine and Enishi's votes, the Hantei side still would have reached the needed 60%.
I for one would also have loved to see an investigation of these constant assassination claims. During the Battle at MWK, I only once encountered the random event. I chose to save Kaneka since back then I believed he was fighting for the Emperor. In no part of that did it even mention the Hantei's involvement.
An investigation now would already be too late and not credible. The Toturi supporters have already made up their mind that the Emperor sent the assasins, while the Hantei supporters wouldn't trust it since it already looks as a planned event just so that Kaneka can start his rebellion. War has already started so it's quite late already for that.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
Dragon Clan * Shugenja * Earth * Void * Yamabushi * Duelist
Posts: 228
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Aug 12, 2011 22:32:35 GMT -5
I would like to remind everyone that Proof in Rokugan is a laughable concept to all clans except the dragon. Testimony is everything and Kaneka is a very highly ranked man. True. But then Kaneka is questioning the Emperor who has the highest rank.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 12, 2011 22:47:58 GMT -5
IC: Chad-san, my father was a Kitsuki magistrate, can't help but follow in his footsteps and try to ask the right questions (OoC: someday soon I'll post Manji's story, just need to think it through better)
Koichi-san, I understand that its already too late for arguments now that the war have started. It's just that all these claims of dishonor, tyranny and such against the Emperor are coming from the same samurai that profess to follow Bushido. As I see it, it's just like Mitsuoko-san said, the Clans that support the Shogun are just deluding themselves with false accusations and made up facts in order to conceal their hidden motives for war. No true samurai would turn against his lawful liege like that.
What makes it more shameful is that we are killing one another exactly when we needed to be united against the threat from the Shadowlands. It's a shame that many can't see this and prefer to seek whatever false glory there is in slaying brothers, sisters and friends. I fear that, even though their emissaries "failed", the Spiders already managed to spread their ideals amongst us.
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Aug 12, 2011 23:58:56 GMT -5
Hey Jay, are these new actions contested? Are there vote totals that are going to be tallied for some effect, or are they just normal new jobs?
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Post by Mirumoto Asano on Aug 13, 2011 1:45:45 GMT -5
About the voting- it doesn't matter if it's a 500 or 20 votes difference - all clans needed 60% to declare to one side, it's not fair to change the rules for only one clan because they cannot decide for themselves.
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Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Aug 13, 2011 3:58:05 GMT -5
Rest assured the Crane castled are well garrisoned and will hold of any Crab attack. After all, the Crab do not have much experience in sieges and assaults, while we, the Crane, have much experience in defending and disrupting the enemy's ability to fight. Oh, by the way, the Charge action for Toturi supporters in Toshi Ranbo is wrong. It gives 2 Honor, while it should give -2 Honor .
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 13, 2011 4:28:52 GMT -5
Yup, you're right Hiroshi-san: Kaiu Engineers have no idea how to construct siege equipment and command a siege and Hiruma Scouts have no idea how to avoid traps and keep efficiency in highly hostile territory.
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Moto Ieyasu
Unicorn Clan
Unicorn Clan ? Samurai ? Cavalry ? Tactician ? Commander ? White Guard
Posts: 18
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Post by Moto Ieyasu on Aug 13, 2011 4:30:22 GMT -5
I think you're wrong about that, the Kaiu are the best siege strategists in the empire.
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Kakita Mitsouko
Crane Clan Mod
::Daimyo::Kenshinzen::Hatamoto of Crane Clan::Paragon of Duty
Posts: 1,952
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Aug 13, 2011 4:41:55 GMT -5
Still keeping it in a tone of tease, of course, Yes, I have heard about the existence of the City of Lost and also, about the Fortress of the Forgotten, and the Iron Citadel, but never heard that the ‘experienced in assaults’ Crab had successfully sieged and destroyed any of it. Updated: Sorry, I really forgot about the Forgotten. Who can blame me for it? Crab forgot them as well...
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 13, 2011 5:06:58 GMT -5
From Art of War, Chapter IV: Neither is it the acme of excellence if you fight and conquer and the whole Empire says, "Well done!" (...) Hence his (skilled general) victories bring him neither reputation for wisdom nor credit for courage. That's why you never heard about Crab's excellence in siege warfare. And Fortess of the Forgotten is a part of Crab's defenses. Why should Crab assault their own barracks?
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Moto Ieyasu
Unicorn Clan
Unicorn Clan ? Samurai ? Cavalry ? Tactician ? Commander ? White Guard
Posts: 18
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Post by Moto Ieyasu on Aug 13, 2011 5:18:40 GMT -5
The Crab never attempted a full-scale invasion of the Shadowlands because of their acute shortage of jade. the possibility of majority of the Crab army succumbing to the taint is not an ideal situation for the defenders of the wall
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Post by Bayushi Toshiro on Aug 13, 2011 7:02:01 GMT -5
A few questions: - On the assassination attempt theory, has there been any endeavour to relate this to the other attempt on the other brother of the current emperor, Isawa Sezaru? It is a story arc yet to be completed and I think it might reveal a lot... - Does anyone remember how Hantei Naseru got to bear the imperial name? He was fostered to the embittered spirit of the Iron Chrysantem, Hantei XVI, who was a sadistic maniac and a paranoid, cruel madman. Not what I call great credentials - Let's stop to try guessing how many Scorpion it takes to cast 500 votes (or to change a light bulb for that matter). What matters is that the votes are there. So the question is, if it's "too small" a majority, why didn't the guys who voted in minority vote more? I emeralded the Toturi support action a loooog time ago, and honnestly, I am tired of clicking that specific button. So I'm off to the war and I don't care what happens next anymore. Send me a bloody postcard when you've made up your mind !!!! (Aaaah! feels good) ;-)
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 13, 2011 7:23:56 GMT -5
I gotta admit I am tired of having to still vote for the Scorpion to pick a side, as I'm sure every other Scorpion is. In fact, it really doesn't matter which side would have won the majority,....it would just be nice to have a declared side. Too many new actions would the Scorpion players miss out on if we still have to keep farming Scorpion favors while the whole rest of the war is going on. And while yes, the Scorpion players can still involve themselves as an individual, it hurts our clans power as a whole to be on two sides of the fence. >< *just felt like griping* As to everyone who keeps bringing up Assasination x, blah blah, true emperor, blah blah....it's getting a little old. Starting to think people are going to their old posts in other threads and copy/pasting themselves.
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
Posts: 418
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Post by Alesha on Aug 13, 2011 8:43:31 GMT -5
Finally I have the chance to make a decent head toll out of those traitors on fields of battle... - Said the young Crane Taisa as he parted to lead his legion to protect Emperor and Empire.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 13, 2011 12:41:47 GMT -5
The Crab never attempted a full-scale invasion of the Shadowlands because of their acute shortage of jade. the possibility of majority of the Crab army succumbing to the taint is not an ideal situation for the defenders of the wall Based on history, I would say Moto Ieyasu-san knows what he's talking about. After all, the last army to have the brilliant idea to storm the Shadowlands was led by a Moto named Tsume and ended up paving the way for Daigotsu. And we all know the consequences of that.
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