Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Sept 6, 2011 12:50:14 GMT -5
It makes sense, but it seems that the costs of the actions are a little lopsided then. I understand that Lonely Shore should be difficult to defend given that we chose to send our forces to Toshi Ranbo, but that doesn't explain why it's so much more difficult to get the required items to defend Toshi Ranbo than it is to attack it! Perhaps it's to make up for the highly lopsided player population in each clan?
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
Posts: 484
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Post by Utaku Mai on Sept 6, 2011 13:46:21 GMT -5
It's true. I'm not sure how the respective fate pools of the different clans measure up to one another. Everyone gets a max of 1440 fate a day, so more players means more potential power to grind for materials and click the actions. It would make sense to nerf one side slightly to put them on somewhat equal footing. For a while, anyway.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Sept 6, 2011 14:34:46 GMT -5
A single creature coming from the Shadowlands is not the fault of the Crab, it could have come from within perhaps by a Hantei supporter that fell to the Spider, we all know the stories of corruption from inside. The wall stands, the Crab stand. Suggesting that a creature is in our lands is no slight to the Crab, suggesting that they failed to contain every single tainted creature, is both an insult to the Crab, and impossible. There will always be corruption, and I don't think the Crab have ever, or will ever fail in their duty to guard the wall.
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Post by kentaro on Sept 6, 2011 14:52:06 GMT -5
Well put, Toku-san.
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Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Sept 6, 2011 15:09:58 GMT -5
And what would a Monkey know about Crab's ancestral duty?
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
Posts: 484
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Post by Utaku Mai on Sept 6, 2011 15:18:16 GMT -5
Probably about as much as any non-Crab could, Kikita-san.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Sept 6, 2011 15:19:44 GMT -5
There are things called scrolls, Kakita-san. A samurai's duty does not end with the sword. History is our guide.
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Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Sept 6, 2011 15:26:31 GMT -5
Crab's duty is not as much about the sword, as about vigilance, Toku-sama. If they can remain vigilant while being in a totally different place, then I will rest my case... But I doubt this can be the case.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Sept 6, 2011 15:31:27 GMT -5
I was not speaking about the Crab when I mentioned the sword, Kakita-san.
I also must find fault with the idea that the Crab abandoned the wall. They have armies aside from those stationed at the wall, in total, they could take out any two clans military wise, save the Lion, and perhaps the Unicorn. I have no doubt the wall stands as strong as ever.
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Kakita Hiroshi
Crane Clan
* Duelist * Courtier * Magistrate * Warrior Poet *
Posts: 285
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Post by Kakita Hiroshi on Sept 6, 2011 15:35:51 GMT -5
I hope, for the sake of all of us, that you will not be proven wrong, Toku-sama.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Sept 6, 2011 16:05:16 GMT -5
it could have come from within perhaps by a Hantei supporter that fell to the Spider, we all know the stories of corruption from inside. Pray tell, what does this have to do with shape shifters? Also, are you really stating that a single powerful Shadowlands creature dribbled the Crab security at the Wall and came to the Scorpion lands with the sole purpose of assassinating the Imperial Ambassador? Or are you saying that we have masters of Water and Air that no one heard about falling prey to the Shadowlands taint? Or maybe suddenly Bog Hags took an interest in the civil war and started supporting Hantei. Or perhaps the Gaki are conspiring with Hantei to posses us all... really Toku-san, thanks for the amusing conspiracy theories, I rest my case.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Sept 6, 2011 20:05:50 GMT -5
All are more believable than the Scorpion acting in a way that only hurts themselves. Eliminate the impossible, and whatever is left, however unlikely, is the truth.
I speak not of the Spirits of any realm save Jigoku. I speak of the taint of Maho, the Spider's webs of blasphemy, the ability to change form can happen with mundane or supernatural means. Shapeshifters, have their own priorities, they are not human after all. Your kin aside, there are evils in the world, Pekkle no onis are in the courts, it could easily have been one of them.
Tell me what is more fathomable, that some evil unknown to us is afoot (Or known considering how many reports of pekkles I've been reciving), or the Scorpions acted in a way to undermine their position? I for one would never conciser the 2nd option, as quirky as my theories may be, they at least are not ludicrous.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
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Post by Tamori Manji on Sept 6, 2011 20:22:20 GMT -5
I don't disagree with you.
Still, we cannot speak of Clans not taking actions that would endanger their own positions simply because all major Clans have some kind of schism on where they stand about this war. It's well known that all of them have factions that support both sides and, however small, most of those factions are still part of the Clan and still act in its name.
That said, and considering that what one faction sees as positive may very well be what another sees as negative, I can safely state that yes, it is possible, and not far fetched, for a Clan to act against its own best interests. A great historical Rokugani example of this would be, imho, the stupidity that was the Scorpion Coup.
On another very OOC note, I would love nothing more than for, at least, the people of the same Clan agree on a result and follow it as a whole, but on a forum that solves its disputes through RP without the support of dice rolls, we can't really enforce that. No Clan daimyo can truly control it's players or demand the seppuku of their characters, for any reason at all. And we cannot hope to control, or even know about, the actions of the players that don't participate in the forums. All we can do is RP and hope everyone is on the same page. I don't say that negatively or as derision, mind you, just as an acknowledgment of our own limitations.
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Bayushi Hiryu
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja*Dragon Clan Ally*Samurai*Courtier* Tactician*Chrysanthemum*Inexp Hiryu*Unique
Posts: 217
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Post by Bayushi Hiryu on Sept 7, 2011 16:54:29 GMT -5
A great historical Rokugani example of this would be, imho, the stupidity that was the Scorpion Coup. Apologies, Manji-san, do you mean in any way than protecting the Empire from Fu Leng was a "stupidity"? I may have misinterpretated... The Scorpion always stand vigilant for the good of the Empire, even if such an Empire may not know what its own good is...
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Sept 7, 2011 17:18:19 GMT -5
Hiryu-san, pardon me but that post was strictly OOC. As I player I feel that the Scorpion Coup is one of the most nonsensical events in the whole Rokugani story (no, I won't debate why I feel that way. It would completely derail the discussion and it would take a looong time, possibly leading to other derailing arguments). I love the setting, as a whole, but most of the times, I feel its ideas and overall feeling are better than its official execution. Chiefly because the story progresses based on whatever events result from the CCG championships, thus, things like the Spider becoming a great Clan and Daigotsu becoming the king of Jigoku happen.
But then again, I prefer to homebrew my games whenever I can. It's more laborious, sure, but I feel its way more fulfilling. Nothing against those who like the official storyline, but many points of it, especially recently, simply don't work for me.
EDIT: Which is pretty much why I liked the core of L5R 4e. It gives rules for everything, describes some major events and leaves the gaming group to decide what they would like to use and in which period they would like to play.
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