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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 14, 2011 8:52:11 GMT -5
So..hey there. Yeah. You. Each and every one of you. This isn't normal, but there's 500 of you. Lots of you. So I'm talkin' to each and every one of you. As of lately, there's been a lot on my shoulders..a lot I can't get off my chest. There's been some ridiculous shit happening that most of you don't know about. It's caused a lot of stress for us, the Staff, when we try and deal with it. It's been, well, a headache. More so. It's caused in-fighting, trust issues and a lot of stuff in between. Basically, there's been an attempt to bribe the staff members. Several of them have been offered multiple things, including promises of "power" if they'll delete/remove/etc, and then move to a 'new forum'. Lemme tell you a little story. These two people, who for the current time shall remain nameless, have been going around to various people, trying to "persuade" them into "joining" some crazy "cool kids club" to stat a new forum. It's also been threatened that they will "empty out" these forums! So much that I backed up the information of the forums. Just incase. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) After that, well, they intended to talk to Jay and get him to move forums. Guess what? I've already spoken to Jay about this matter. He agrees with my feelings on the situation. In the next few days, some members are going to be banned. I will be a total open book on this, providing as much detail as humanly possible. This is going to b a whirlwind of chaos for a while, but I promise you one thing. I don't care who these people are. I don't care what there threats are. I will not allow them to attack the forums, the members or the staff and get away with it. It's a funny thought that you've all been threatened, and had no idea, because the staff has been working diligently to try and work this out. Now then. I've been running this forum for almost a year. I've learned a lot of things in my time here.. like that I can't keep 500 people happy all the time, every time. So, expect some changes in the next couple of days. It'll be crazy! I know. I'll be here though. The other staffers will be here! We'll all be here to answer any questions you have or do our best to help you in any way possible. I'll let you all know how it turns out. P.S. - tl;dr version: Crazy shit is gonna happen. I'll explain everything as it happens. Don't fret!
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Post by Shoju on Dec 15, 2011 9:57:04 GMT -5
I'm locking this thread, and removing all posts except The original. It is for the best.
If you want to continue to debate the merits of things, or disagree, Take it to PM's
If this spills into another post on the board, there will be consequences. You have been warned.
I am Re-opening this thread now that it has been cleaned up. If you are posting here, it is because you have a question, or a concern. This isn't the place to debate things, or make snide remarks. If that happens, I will shut this thread down again, and there will be no discussion on this until Setsuro has provided more details.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 15, 2011 14:06:54 GMT -5
Alright, so.. You're all wondering who the first person up is and why. Allow me to explain what's up. This person has been causing some drama, out of character drama because the in character stuff is yummy and delicious, while picking fights with people, including their on mod, and generally just being a kind of power hungry individual. On top of that, this person was one of the people that went around trying to bribe staff members with promises of "power". ![](http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h431/emeraldempire/post1.jpg) I had to black some things out to protect the privacy of real people outside the game. I'm not gonna fuck over people in their real life, so don't expect to ever see real names. So, basically, here's the story you've all been waiting for. There's been a lot of Unicorn drama over the Championship and basically some fighting that had been going on in there. According to the two people running around - Kasumi was recruiting so that there could be -this- board emptied (they never say how though) and so that they could have their own forum with "only the cool people". The rumors claimed Kasumi was doing it, but in fact Kasumi wasn't. She wasn't the one running around trying to do any of this forum stuff. People were doing it in her name, though apparently without her knowledge. After approaching Kasumi herself about it, she proclaimed that she was just as angry as we were that people were doing this in her name without her knowing. So, after talking with Kasumi about it and confirming a few details in that regard... It's funny, because as I posted this, I was running around checking the various screen shots, witness reports and details I had from two people. Making sure I was right in everything I was saying. That leads me to these two. Hiromitsu and Yukihime. I'm sure Kasumi would be more than happy to volunteer that she had nothing to do with this and did not sponsor those two at all. If she feels like doing so, that's up to her. For the time being, I am not actually banning either of them. I'm just putting them both on a week long suspension. I think it's pretty fitting, with what they've been attempting to do, and I may ask a couple staff members to come forward to tell you just who they attempted to bribe. We'll see! In the meantime, this is the very first thing that's happening. I realize, it's not a banning. I'm sorry if you were disappointed, but I promise that I'm doing what I believe is best for the situation -right now-. I'll continue to keep you posted with what's going on.
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Dec 15, 2011 14:58:42 GMT -5
...So exactly how was this board or anyone threatened? I see the "emptying out" phrase you keep using, but that just draws analogous to me with a bar opening up across the street from another bar and threatening to empty the old bar out. You say they were asking people to leave the forum and delete their posts, which I still don't see as doing anything wrong. The bribery thing could be a banning offense if they were trying to bribe mods to delete other peoples posts. If they were in fact lying about Kasumi wanting to start the board, instead of being mistaken about it then I can see that as being wrong. However, unless they were posting those things on the board I don't see it as breaking any rules. In the interest of being open as humanly possible can you edit the screenshots to remove real names if necessary and post links to those then?
...I'm sure there will be a contingent of people who assume I'm doing this to just be contrary. However, I am honestly confused on this. I don't know Hiromitsu's gf that well, but I talk with Hiromitsu on a regular basis on-line. Many of you also deal with him on a regular basis here in the forums. It just strikes me as out of character for him to be power hungry or to make it up about Kasumi wanting to start the forum.
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Dec 15, 2011 15:08:16 GMT -5
You're asking for a lot to be taken on faith Setsuro. I sure hope that facebook message isn't your only bit of evidence.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 15, 2011 15:44:50 GMT -5
It's not. There's more to come in the following days, Thrak. There will be mods coming forward if necessary as witnesses and posting of logs. I have actually been getting PMs from people with things very much like this, so I'll be seeing what should be posted and what isn't. There's a ton more and at least two staffers who can confirm this. Also, Aroru, it's a common sense thing. this sort of conspiracy bullshit nonsense that sets up others (So far it seems Kasumi was set up, but we'll see) for things is ridiculous. It can't be tolerated. Flat out, you'll see more information, but I do believe you're just being contrary at this point. You've already been warned in this topic once. If you wanna discuss it with me, feel free to do so in PMs. You are pretty obviously flame baiting ONCE AGAIN. So PMs are great. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Dec 15, 2011 15:51:18 GMT -5
...You are wrong and it's obvious that I'm not the only one who's skeptical about this. I asked you a fair and honest question and your response is to attack me.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 15, 2011 15:56:43 GMT -5
...You are wrong and it's obvious that I'm not the only one who's skeptical about this. I asked you a fair and honest question and your response is to attack me. Here's the thing. I've already spoken with Jay about this entire matter. He knows what's going on. He agrees with me that this is pretty much just ridiculous. Flat out, bar none, I would be justified in simply banning the entire lot of these people. For all kinds of reasons, not just breaking the rules which they have, but for being a HUGE negative presence on the boards and causing drama, problems and grief. I didn't attack you, and I'm not going to attack you, because that would not be cool. I do, however, think that you're simply being contrary at this point. Warning you that you should chill out and PM me is definitely not an attack. When you yourself say "I know there will be a contingent of people who think I'm being contrary" don't be surprised when, well, it's true. I'm not here to argue. I'm not here to hold your hand. I'm here to show what I'm doing and why. No one's been banned yet. You'll see EVERYTHING that happens here.
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Dec 15, 2011 16:00:26 GMT -5
I can't think of anyone who spells quite that badly. That is....wow....some really bad grammer.
I also must admit I don't have the same conclusion as you do, Setsuro, just from the FB message. If they were name-dropping Kasumi, could they not be name-dropping Hiromitsu and Yukihime.
However, you say there is more information to come, And I will trust that the mods know what they are doing. I watch this situation with interest.
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Post by Shoju on Dec 15, 2011 16:03:42 GMT -5
Look at the button you can see in the picture.
CLEARLY this person does not speak english as their primary language.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 15, 2011 16:05:46 GMT -5
I can't think of anyone who spells quite that badly. That is....wow....some really bad grammer. I also must admit I don't have the same conclusion as you do, Setsuro, just from the FB message. If they were name-dropping Kasumi, could they not be name-dropping Hiromitsu and Yukihime. However, you say there is more information to come, And I will trust that the mods know what they are doing. I watch this situation with interest. That conversation there is actually a conversation with a Moderator. I trust the staff implicitly or they would not be staff. The person who belongs to this log has an impeccable record. It makes no sense for the moderator to be lying beyond that, even without the trust. This conversation was not with me, I was simply provided screen shots.
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Dec 15, 2011 16:27:52 GMT -5
I see now, Shoju, totally missed it until you pointed it out. I will expand on my statement, then bow out as I have no wish to clutter the thread or raise anyone's hackles on such a touchy subject. 1. With only the screenshot we can't come to the same conclusion you can. You have much more information then we do and all we have is the Screenie. We can't help but speculate to some extent. People are stupid like that. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) And With only the screenshot, I do not have the same opinion. 2. I come to this forum to socialize and roleplay. It is not my forum. I do not have any stake in it's maintenence or upkeep. I do not assist in the FB game development. I choose to be here. How the operaters of this forum enforces it's rules and protects it's integrity is not something I should have a say it. That such an effort to provide transparity has been made is something I can Apprectiate, even if at the moment my conclusions differ from someone elses. I do not wish to lose the forums to some powerplay or stupid plot, so I will keep an eye on this thing.
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 15, 2011 16:37:23 GMT -5
Setsuro, you are mistaken about Hiromitsu and Yukihime. I say because I know that Yukihime was developing a L5R RP site and, on many occasions, we discussed that there was no intention whatsoever to compete with this site or to "sway Jay over". She was simply designing another site for roleplay, with different mechanics than those we have here (like dice rolling and such).
Now, this "in fact Kasumi wasn't", well, it was not exactly like that. She was pissed because of what happened in the Unicorn and she did have the intention of creating another forum (at least in the beginning), she even offered the domain for Yukihime to work on. It's just that, neither her, nor Hiromitsu, nor Yukihime ever had the intention to compete with this site in any way and, so, I don't see any problem with what they did.
You may then ask me "but Manji, how can you tell?" and I would answer, "because I was there and I talked with them about it". There were even other persons present but I don't feel the need to divulge their names now.
EDIT: Unfortunately, when my HD died last week, I lost my skype logs. But, I still have some facebook conversations if you feel like you need hard proof of what I'm saying.
Still, I don't think there was a problem here. None of those three did anything wrong and I wouldn't blame Yuki for creating a forum with different mechanics simply because she wanted a different gameplay experience (and to play other characters).
EDIT 2: Sorry for the multiple edits but I wanted to avoid posting multiple times. I think that, if you are going to suspend Yukihime and Hiromitsu based on this, you may as well suspend Kasumi, Homura and myself, simply for being there and talking about it. I'm really sorry, but whoever brought this matter to your attention and made it sound like a problem was completely mistaken and may have tried to manipulate you.
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Dec 15, 2011 17:08:47 GMT -5
...hehe, just had a guy who messaged me that he'd killed his character and made a new only to lose all his dynasty. I had to tell him about the add dynasty page. I do wonder if the same thing happens if you marry into another clan though.
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Post by Yukihime on Dec 15, 2011 17:08:49 GMT -5
Yes, my new forum is in portuguese only ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) by the way. It even have posts IN PORTUGUESE. What means I totally CAN'T compete with you. Also. I more than once mentioned I have had other forums in the past. May be Senshi will remember that long ago he asked me if ever runned a proboard forum and I even gave him the link to my portuguese forum. If I have my name mentioned here. Could I please know who made the accusation? About Hiromitsu, you guys are crazy unfair. He was just organizing a group to PREVENT people from leaving this forum. If anyone ever threatened the forum saying they would "empty it's content" well, it can't possible be one of us. Unfortunately I lack the skill to do so. Also, you guys could ask us something. You know, like a interrogatory or anything. No one asked us NOTHING. Is it fair? Is it right?
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