Setsuro's ..well, direct speech! -> To you!

[Tamori Manji]

Forgot to mention another important thing (and the other post had already too many edits), the forum that Yukihime is currently developing is in portuguese, it even had a brazilian player there the last time I saw. So, I can't possibly see how it would compete with this forum or how they would try to sway Jay to make his official posts in portuguese... really, I can't. So, I'm sorry again Setsuro, but someone has been feeding you half-truths.

EDIT: Ok, here we go again with the editing... I see that Yukihime just made a post about this. I must say, I stand by them, they did nothing wrong. If you still feel like you need to suspend their accounts, please go on and suspend mine too because I am on their side.

[Hida Setsuro]

It's entirely possible, Manji. I didn't suspend purely for being there. I was suspending for the threats and bribery attempts that were made. Can you toss me the logs you do have? I would appreciate it.

The thing about all of this is that while I trust the staff completely, I will admit that I make mistakes. I can be wrong. I don't think I'm wrong, but talk to me and show me the logs. We'll see what can be done.

[Tamori Manji]

I'll send you the few proofs that survived via PM. If nothing else, it will show that they weren't alone in it. And Yukihime can always show you the portuguese forums she was developing.

The rest, well, unfortunately for that, I can only offer you my own word of honor.

[Shokuma]

I'm not a skype user, so forgive me if this is a silly question, but Manji, would the person you were talking to not have logs of the conversations even if your computer ate things on your end?

[Hida Setsuro]

Dec 15, 2011 17:14:30 GMT -5 Tamori Manji said:

I'll send you the few proofs that survived via PM. If nothing else, it will show that they weren't alone in it. And Yukihime can always show you the portuguese forums she was developing.

The rest, well, unfortunately for that, I can only offer you my own word of honor.

Well, please do so. I'm not concerned about there being another forum, like I said, just everything else that's happened. If people want to make other boards, they're free to. Heck, I can make boards for people if they really want. That's not the issue

[Tamori Manji]

Dec 15, 2011 17:17:30 GMT -5 Shokuma said:

I'm not a skype user, so forgive me if this is a silly question, but Manji, would the person you were talking to not have logs of the conversations even if your computer ate things on your end?

Shokuma, you are right. I've already contacted Hiromitsu and Yukihime to see if they can send their logs. Thanks.

[Tamori Koichi]

Dec 15, 2011 17:08:49 GMT -5 @Yukihime said:

About Hiromitsu, you guys are crazy unfair. He was just organizing a group to PREVENT people from leaving this forum.

If anyone ever threatened the forum saying they would "empty it's content" well, it can't possible be one of us. Unfortunately I lack the skill to do so.

Also, you guys could ask us something.
You know, like a interrogatory or anything. No one asked us NOTHING. Is it fair? Is it right?

This is a concern for me. Did the admin really not talk to Yukihime and Hiromitsu? If they asked Kasumi, why couldn't they have asked the others as well.

[Zeure]

I will also stand in support that I do not believe that Yukihime was involved in killing this forum. Unfortunately, I do not know Hiromitsu, so I can not vouch for him but I will say that he has not displayed himself as such.

I know that Yukihime has been struggling with wanting to do roleplay with other clans, one just needs to look at her posting history to see this. She evens started that thread in the general asking about possibilities of such. If she was developing an alternate forum, which is entirely plausible given Manji's testimony, I can not believe that she would be trying to empty out this forum, in either of the ways that have been put forth.

I think a little more transparency on this issue with Yukihime, and by extension, Hiromitsu is needed. If you are open to it, Setsuro-sama, since you don't have to. But since you've made the judgement that you should tell us everything your doing and why, then I would feel much more comfortable knowing more about this. I almost feel like we'd need a chat log of showing that someone was bribed to do it.

Edit: Like Manji. XD Koichi brings up a good point. I support this practice as fair only if it is used on everyone involved.

[Kakita Sojiro]

This whole thing seems really odd, Setsuro. I understand you have more info, but I'm having a hard time believing that those people were involved in trying to empty the forums or bribe people on here with power.

What power? Are either of them mods? What do they have to offer?

How would they even go about emptying the forum out?

So far, this isn't making a lot of sense.

[Asahina Yuuto]

I work with many ESL students (English Secondary Language), in my line of work. In several cases, what appears to be one thing, often appears to be another due to the language miscommunication.

I would be very cautious as you continue your investigation as to whether this is or is not a glorified breakdown of perceptions due to the language/cultural barrier.

That said, I patiently await for the release of further evidence as you build your case for the masses.

[Doji Naetaru]

If I may say something.
I truly understand what Setsuro and the mods wish to do with this thread.
And since I have nothing to add, I will simply say this.

Since this is turning over to some people getting angry at accusations presented over by evidence, I think it is to the better of us all to see the evidence and people involved in it.

Sooner or later all of this might be revealed.
Personally I am rather depressed of this. Why would people turn this over into a serious issue? We're here to play and have fun!

[Yukihime]

Yap, I can tell Hiromitsu and I bought Bayushi Jun, Mirumoto Tobushi, Daidoji Yuuka and Shiba Kenzan here (check with them if you like).
A few of them may had fit in more than others. But it is more people brought here than I have on my "work in progress" portuguese forum by now

Hiromitsu may have garbed even more users to here when he posted his True Stories to Facebook.

I think everything was said about privacy. Someone (who have the right to remain un-named) is twisting things, while our names are now being looked with suspicion.

About bribing... Sojiro bought a point I had not thought about; what in hell do we have to offer? And, really, whoever told we offered something, I totally would like to join the chat with this person.

Even unrequested I went to talk to Setsuro, I must add he was nice and willing to listen and hopefully we (Hiro, Homura and I) are going to help this issue to get to something (but I still think the staff could have asked us about it all, prior to posting public accusations. Or, if anyone is to be public accused, the accusers should do it public too, showing themselves).

Well, anyway, seems like whatever is exactly going on it is more problematic than I could imagine at first. I understand some staff members may be busy and having a hectic time to deal with all of this. Hope this all can have a "fair ending".

May be Jay could tell who exactly went to talk to him >.o I'm sure I never did.
About the other issues, I can't help further.

[Shoju]

YUkihime, if you feel that your name is being twisted unfairly, you may send me a PM. I'm interested in getting to the bottom of this. If you can't find me on here, I'm pretty easy to find in EE (go to a spider top 10 board) and then just send me a FB message.

[Hida Setsuro]

A whirlwind of evidence has appeared, thanks to Manji (Appreciate the footwork you put in, man!) and a couple of other people coming directly to me to give me their statements.

For the record, I'm unsuspending both Hiromitsu and Yukihime, both with my sincerest apologies and my sincerest thanks.

More soon. Stay tuned.

[Tamori Manji]

Setsuro-san, I thank you sincerely for your kind attention to this whole affair. This proves us that we can indeed do better as a community if we work together and are clear with one another. *bows respectfully*