Kitsuki Yuushahime
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Dec 15, 2011 21:19:37 GMT -5
I think the case should have been compiled to near completion before the suspensions were made. I am always behind the staff but if some of you are fearful of posting what the threats or bribes were (you don't even need to give logs, I just want to hear your own testimony "X said Y to me") then I am unfortunately sceptical of this move. People should be innocent until proven guilty and I'd want to believe in the forum members. Yukihime and Hiromitsu should have been spoken to so their side could be heard. I do believe staff will post here about what troublesome communication they received and what threats were made but I do not understand - in the slightest - why there is a delay in posting these details if the policy here is meant to be open. If, for example, it was Tomatsu and Senshi then all I need is for them to post here along the lines of "yep, they threatened me and asked me to delete posts and move to their forum" or the like. Until that happens then all I think you have is a single message about a possible problem and that worries me. I know you do investigate things thoroughly but I am not seeing the fruits of that at the moment. Of course you don't have to justify punishments to members and even as Aroru has said you could just suspend everyone or even ban every forum member. Your open and reasonable policy is appreciated therefore. Nonetheless this has become more confused than necessary at the moment and the current posts heavily suggest the wrong decision has been reached. How could a plot be formed to force members to another forum and abandon this and have it deleted or whatever if this new forum isn't primarily in English? It just doesn't make sense. Again, you don't need to provide logs or anything. As staff you shouldn't have to give minute detail for all your decisions. A simple "yes, X tried to bribe me and Y threatened me with Z" would suffice. We trust your words. Trust us to trust you. Also, thanks for delving into this so thoroughly Setsuro and talking to those suspected of trouble ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 15, 2011 21:34:35 GMT -5
I must say that, since I was among those involved (even though my name wasn't mentioned), it was never the intention of any of them (Kasumi, Homura, Hiromitsu and Yukihime) to create this kind of problem nor to sabotage our boards.
As I see it, the real culprit in this whole situation is the one who tried to misled Setsuro-san. This was not only a betrayal towards the staff, it was against the whole community because it tried to blame innocent people for crimes they didn't commit. I truly feel sad about this whole situation.
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Bayushi Senshi
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Dec 16, 2011 9:11:37 GMT -5
Well, Setsuro is taking the lead in this. Its safe to direct all questions to him.
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Post by Hida Setsuro on Dec 16, 2011 13:55:37 GMT -5
It's unfortunate business, banning people. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Sometimes..it can't be avoided, as much as I've tried. Utaku Kasumi will be banned. Three members, Hiromitsu, Yukihime and Homura all heard Kasumi threaten that she would have the entire FAQ section deleted. On top of that, she said she would convince a mod to do it for her. Shigekazu was the mad she contacted. ![](http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h431/emeraldempire/kasshige1.jpg) This was an image I did not have before hand from earlier last month. Courtesy of Manji, obviously, and I'm very thankful that he chose to aid us. Manji also provided a statement to me that KASUMI was the one going around inviting people to the new forum, not Hiromitsu and Yukihime. Apparently this has all been a major smokescreen. Kasumi intended to use Shigekazu to abandon the forum, delete the FAQ and at the same time gather the hard work that everyone here has gathered and steal it for her own forums. Shigekazu was a weapon in her eyes. Little did she know that Shigekazu would never ever do this and was waiting to see just how serious this was. He was waiting to come forward so there would be more evidence, but the sudden explosion forced him to come forward early. On top of this, Kasumi has been well known for her angry, self-imposed entitlement, spiteful, bitchy self-centered ways. There has been more drama than you can possibly imagine. Kasumi we demoted from the moderator team when she deleted topics she was specifically told NOT to delete. It was made clear. She was assumed to be cheating to become Unicorn Champion, though because I was not here, the security logs are lost to time. There are many reasons for her to be banned, but this is simply the one that did it. On behalf of the staff, I'd like to apologize for all the craziness that has been the last few days. If you have any questions, comments or concerns, please feel free to contact me. I handled this case directly and would have the best answers for you. P.S. I assume that there will be multiple posts after mine, vouching for everything I've stated, from people such as Bayushi Hiromitsu and Mirumoto Shigekazu.
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on Dec 16, 2011 14:01:19 GMT -5
Hi guys.
Kasumi told us, Manji, Yukihime, Homura and I, in Tuesday, November 08, 2011 12:17am (brazilian time)
"Shige said that if they piss him off... staffers I mean, he's gona delete the whole FAQ section and come to the new forum."
This is the better I can do to try shine some light on the matter. Anyway, I hope that the Mod that was offered bribe or was threaten should be making a better post than myself.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Dec 16, 2011 14:06:44 GMT -5
I confirm that I was given with proposition to move whole content from AtFAQ Zone to new forum. But I have never inteded to do that. I defended Kasumi's case on Mod Board but now amount of solid evidence against her is so huge that I am sure she deserves permament ban for everything bad she did.
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Dec 16, 2011 14:11:22 GMT -5
Good riddance.
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Mirumoto Machu
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Post by Mirumoto Machu on Dec 16, 2011 14:18:15 GMT -5
I wondered why her birthday was not listed on the fourum the other day.
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 16, 2011 14:48:07 GMT -5
This whole business has left me incredibly sad about many things. At least some good came out of it, both Hiromitsu and Yukihime were cleared of their charges and Homura's name is clean again (as it should be). I don't even know what to say anymore, so, guess I'll just shut up. I know this wasn't pleasant for anyone.
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Post by Shoju on Dec 16, 2011 14:54:03 GMT -5
I'm just glad that we can start putting this behind us, and moving forward. Seriously, I have been working on this for..... well over a month. I'm glad its over.
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Bayushi Senshi
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Dec 16, 2011 18:53:45 GMT -5
It is indeed very sad, but I am even willing to come forth and say that nearly every interaction I have had with Kasumi in the past two months has been full of manipulations and machinations that would make even a malicious scorpion cringe. And even more sadly, it won't end here. She has really devout supporters that can act and talk with a lot of venom. I have no doubt in my mind that everything that is being said here in this thread is still making its way back to Kasumi Karolina so that she can poison our community even more. We will never truly be rid of her taint enough.
But, thats an opinion. What I want everyone to take away from my post is the knowledge that Setsuro still isn't finished fighting this, please continue to support and trust him. Watch what you say, cause she is still out there. And be careful if she tries to contact you, she is known for being very communicable and may try to contact you. Just be prepared for that to happen.
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 16, 2011 19:19:32 GMT -5
Senshi, while I do not know the details of the Unicorn incident, nor do I intend to pry, I can't see how painting Kasumi as the devil and slandering her will possibly improve anything. So, please man, if you have nothing positive to add, just try not to make things worse than they already are.
I say this because, despite everything pointing towards Kasumi (according to the many people involved) there is also the matter of the person who tried to implicate Yukihime, Hiromitsu and Homura in crimes they were not guilty of. By this, I do not mean to say that Kasumi is not guilty (that judgement do not rest with me. I simply provided proof with the intention of clearing the names of the innocent) but that there is also other interests going on here (who could possibly benefit from having Yukihime, Hiromitsu and Homura banned I don't know, nor do I know how said person could be benefited by such). I trust Setsuro's judgement on this and I ask that you do the same. Let us, please, not turn this already sad event into a "hate war".
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Bayushi Senshi
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Dec 16, 2011 19:31:12 GMT -5
I will admit that some of the things I have said were harmful.
The past 2 months have been a living hell. I'm just glad that part of this story is over. But do not disregard the warning I gave because of some choice words on my part. That warning is the chief reason I posted. Please trust me that she is still very capable of doing damage, even though she is banned.
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Post by Shoju on Dec 16, 2011 21:22:46 GMT -5
I have to agree with Senshi. I promise you Manji, the staff has been, and is continuing to bite their tongues on many things regarding her. While Senshi's post comes off abrasive, he speaks the truth.
We have stuck to the truth. We have stuck to the facts. We have stuck to things we can bring to the playerbase and prove, and back up. Senshi's may be an opinion, but it is an opinion that I'm highly confident most, if not all staff members share after enduring this ordeal.
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Dec 16, 2011 22:10:10 GMT -5
I didn't want to sound dismissive, so, sorry if I did so. I don't know what went down between all of you, since I've only seen some of the facts and their consequences but I imagine you all have good reason to act this way.
Anyway, it's not my place to judge. I just think that the actions taken speak louder than words. She was banned, the community has been warned and the facts have been made clear. So, I think there's no need to dwell on it, especially because, as I see it, these events must also have been distressing to you, the mods. I just ask that we move on. Shoju, it is as you've said, we can finally start putting this behind us. If there is any further fallout from this, I'm sure you all will act accordingly.
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