Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 22, 2012 17:58:54 GMT -5
If with all help and effort Crane already put in CoSS, Kaneka manage to pass by Dragon, he will meet Hanteists full force ( I mean, clicks) to defend Hantei in Crane lands. Nope, if the Dragon loses at CotSS and the Phoenix loses at Crossroads, either we will split the Empire in two and have two Emperors or the Crane will fight alone (because the Scorpion has already gone south ). I'll stand by my Clan and my people after CotSS concludes and if the Dragon loses I'll accept defeat and focus solely on helping the refugees and rebuilding what was lost (this is a decision I took when CotSS began and I must say I have even two different endings planned, storywise, to explain what Manji will do. If we do win... ahh, that will be amusing). I assure to all the Toturi supporters that I'll give everything I have to win at CotSS and, now that the Dragon stands alone, I expect you guys to quit crying and put up a worthy challenge
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Post by Shokuma on Jan 22, 2012 17:59:41 GMT -5
It seems a little off to entirely discount the Winter Court actions. I could understand keeping the sets seperate as "What the Crane and Lion actually do" and "What other people's reactions to the truce are", thus generating the situation we have now off the Kyuden Seppun results, and then adding something else for people to support or rebuke the two clans (depending on the swing of the Winter Court actions).
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Jan 22, 2012 18:00:56 GMT -5
I'd like to see the Winter Court numbers too. I didn't spend nearly as much fate on the actions as Shoju did, but I did my share of clicking.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 22, 2012 18:02:09 GMT -5
Btw, I must say I agree with Shoju and the others here, I feel the same way about it and I've worked under the same impression.
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Jan 22, 2012 19:54:38 GMT -5
Let's be optimistic here: There are still two jobs, the criticise and praise the Crane and Lion jobs, at Winter Court. It may be that the previous jobs there will add to these new ones...
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Post by Shokuma on Jan 22, 2012 20:00:15 GMT -5
The faith in any significant result to the Criticise/Praise jobs is likely to be scant, since we didn't see a declared effect for the Criticise/Praise the Scorpion or for the Assigning Blame (which I think is still loitering around the Imperial Court).
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Post by Shoju on Jan 22, 2012 20:12:32 GMT -5
Without some sort of explanation, I think I'm just going to start glory farming. My faith in having a chance to effect things is dwindling
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Post by Jay Luo on Jan 22, 2012 20:34:11 GMT -5
Heya, it sounds like you all would like some more explanation on how this works, and the numbers from Winter Court.
First, here are the actual numbers from the Winter Court actions:
Crane/Lion war debate at Winter Court
Actions supporting the bid for peace: 20915 (63%) Actions undermining peace effort: 12207 (36%)
You'll note this number is very high, and the reason is because I had simply re-enabled a previously existing action that occurred in last year's Winter Court, which was basically the same subject (Crane/Lion peace after the border incident in Three Sides River), so it includes votes from last year's Winter Court.
The numbers at the end of last year's Winter Court were 12438 and 5426, so subtracting those out we get:
Crane/Lion war debate at Winter Court (Dec 2011-Jan 2012 only)
Actions supporting the bid for peace: 8477 (56%) Actions undermining peace effort: 6781 (44%)
So, even considering only those votes cast during the current Winter Court, the side supporting peace was winning.
I originally planned to use the Winter Court votes to modify the results of the Kyuden Seppun results (either just adding the difference, or applying some percentage multiplier). But since the Winter Court result was identical to the Kyuden Seppun result (peace was winning at both locations), it didn't seem necessary. In hindsight, I should've gone ahead and added the Winter Court votes as a modifier and totaled up the whole thing, for the sake of clarity. The result would've been the same, but it would've been more obvious how each action contributed. I apologize to those who felt their vote was not counted. I definitely intended for the Winter Court actions to have an effect - it just so happened that they aligned with the results in Kyuden Seppun.
Regarding other specific questions: * The new actions in Winter Court aren't contributing to any sort of vote total or story decision. They're just color, reflecting the shifting topics of gossip at Winter Court. You can potentially farm them for the drops if you need them for some other action; don't kill yourself trying to overdo these actions if you don't want to. * Crane actions that have already occurred at Crossroads Castle and Castle of the Swift Sword will still be counted. No new combat actions will be allowed (barring some sort of skullduggery). * Lion will not initiate further attacks on Crane territory, and will not be able to do actions that directly oppose the Crane army in combat. Likewise Crane will not attack Lion territory or directly oppose Lion troops in combat. * There may be some shades of grey (non-combat) actions that could slip through, and I'm considering ways for die hard war hawks to circumvent these limitations, but they will most likely be dishonorable.
Anyway, sorry for the confusion. I hope this clears things up!
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Jan 22, 2012 20:36:21 GMT -5
Hey, Jay? With the action that appears after the stealth mission at Kyuden Kitsune, I think you should add the "Toturi Supporter" action to prevent Hanteist fratricide. (I did the action just to see what the Scorpion had planned as opposed to actually attacking them.)
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Jan 22, 2012 20:37:36 GMT -5
Thanks, Jay-sama
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Post by Shoju on Jan 22, 2012 20:45:11 GMT -5
Thanks jay.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 22, 2012 21:12:23 GMT -5
Hey, Jay? With the action that appears after the stealth mission at Kyuden Kitsune, I think you should add the "Toturi Supporter" action to prevent Hanteist fratricide. (I did the action just to see what the Scorpion had planned as opposed to actually attacking them.) Well, I can say for sure that I'm feeling extremely tempted to finally get some Stealth just to do that mission (and maybe go down the Infamy lane by killing Lions in Toshi Ranbo). If it remains neutral, I'll probably emerald it. Even though I still defend the Hantei, I also live by the "no one messes with my family" rule (be them Dragons or Foxes. I really dislike the idea of the Kitsune being part of the Mantis but, since there's no way around that [at least not now], I'll just have to sneakily sabotage my "allies"). Also, as I have previously stated, I must congratulate the Lion courtiers who so ably managed to trick the Crane at their own game. I surely didn't expect that of Lions and I must applaud your cleverness for selling the Crane such a one sided peace deal, well done. If I didn't have to kill you all, I would certainly kiss some of you and hug the others. Thanks a lot for all the clarifications Jay.
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Tamori Koichi
Dragon Clan
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Jan 22, 2012 21:14:07 GMT -5
Well we all knew that this was coming. Chop chop people. Keep moving. Swift Sword isn't going to burn by itself. I assure to all the Toturi supporters that I'll give everything I have to win at CotSS and, now that the Dragon stands alone, I expect you guys to quit crying and put up a worthy challenge This is why Koichi chose you as his hatamoto and successor. You're so full of the Tamori spirit and attitude. You should prepare yourself. I feel that Koichi's story is possibly going to be decided by the events at Swift Sword. His nemesis Takezo is going to be there as well, so lets wait and see. In another issue, when is Bloom of the White Orchid going to end?? LOLOLOLOL ;D
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Jan 22, 2012 21:39:09 GMT -5
Koichi-sama... I'm humbled by your kind words but I cannot, will not, let you die. Not on my watch. If I have to burn a thousand Lions and Unicorns to ashes to prevent such a fate, I will And, pssst, don't speak so loud of the White Orchid, Shoju may be listening...On the bright side, the Emperor is out of danger for now. And the Cranes wanting to participate in the war will have to support the Scorpion (as someone else said) so that will probably go well (especially with all Toturi supporters focusing on CotSS). Now I'm curious to see which "bonus" Doji Domotai will give as a wife (I'm definitely not voting for her but, let's be realists, now that the Crane is free to do as it pleases, she will probably win). Another thing that I wonder is, with many of the Scorpions (at least the ones here) being notorious "Hantei supporters" (*cough* Senshi *cough*) how many of them will sabotage their own Clan in Kyuden Kitsune to further personal interests. One may say many things about this war, uninteresting is certainly not one of them.
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Kitsune Poxo
Mantis Clan
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Post by Kitsune Poxo on Jan 22, 2012 21:58:39 GMT -5
Signs point to they are actually attacking else where in my opinion. If we remember way back when they voted Crab got highest, also it's scorpion what else could you expect. Need more stealth to actually do the get in the camp thing. A Scorpion army has marched south to Pleasure City, ostensibly to punish the recent lawlessness on the River of Gold. Few believe this story, but even fewer dare to openly refute this polite fiction. In other news, the Monkey Clan has declared for the Toturi dynasty. ---- Numbers! Scorpion War CouncilActions manipulating the Scorpion to attack the Unicorn (and seize the southern trade route) | 956 (12%) | Actions manipulating the Scorpion to attack the Lion (and occupy Three Sides River) | 3177 (42%) | Actions manipulating the Scorpion to attack the Crab (and battle the Spider) | 3258 (44%) |
This vote was very close; the top two choices have been within 40 votes for most of the times I've checked, and which one was ahead switched places a couple times. The winning option pulled a little further ahead in the last few days. Also as the Rokugan Druids, I'm going to say it. Save the trees! We just wanna be left alone! Another advocate of the Kitsune not being a member of the Mantis
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