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Post by Jay Luo on Feb 7, 2012 18:05:45 GMT -5
The East Wind brotherhood has founded a ronin dojo in East Hub Village. Players may now start ronin characters, or abandon their clan to become ronin (at a high cost in infamy). Of course, no true samurai would consider forsaking their duty in this manner. OOC notes: Ronin are treated like a new clan, but they aren't really a clan. They have 2 new schools, ronin duelist and ronin shugenja. There are likely to be certain actions that are forbidden to ronin due to their low social status. There might be some actions that only ronin can do, also (mostly dishonorable actions that you'd expect ronin scum to perform ). I'm a little concerned about the possibility of abusing "going ronin" -- having a character go ronin, join a clan, go ronin again, join another clan, etc. Will keep an eye on it. Let me know if you see any obvious way to abuse this, and/or any suggested fixes.
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 18:09:27 GMT -5
Nice addition Jay! ;D
One question though, will the ronin be eventually able to join the Minor and Greater Clans?
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Feb 7, 2012 18:14:09 GMT -5
Ouch! But appropriate. Anyway, I hope there is a confirmation for this action, like with seppuku.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Feb 7, 2012 18:18:52 GMT -5
Not sure how you set up the action, but you could always cap how many times you could do it. Like, once, maybe twice.
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Feb 7, 2012 18:37:12 GMT -5
At the moment you can join the spider, marry into a clan, become spider, rejoin your married clan and so on (you have to juggle the taint requirements of course). I don't see joining the ronin as any different, though I haven't checked whether marriage actions are "not ronin" yet.
Technically, you can only join one recognised clan at the moment, the one you marry into. But it would be possible to go, say, Hiruma-Kakita-Goju-Doji-Ronin-Daidoji-Daigotsu-Asahina-Monk-Kakita if one wanted to. And you could ensure that you spent as many points at the 2-skill-point-per-point rate as you could. But I don't think you could create anything other than a "super-all-rounder" using that technique. I don't see that as a huge benefit. Maybe it would enable you to collect a few extra tokens from the extra clan-only jobs you could do. But with only original clan, married clan, spider and ronin jobs, I don't think that's too abusive.
Personally, in the game, Shagi joined the Spider to "go Ronin" after the Lion-Crane peace deal. He views it as "going undercover" and still considers himself a Crane and a Hantei loyalist, which is why I haven't changed his name on the boards. This option would have been the one he'd have taken if it had been available then. Maybe he will do that now...
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Feb 7, 2012 18:43:49 GMT -5
Are you saying there is a way to lose married status?
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Post by Shokuma on Feb 7, 2012 18:50:59 GMT -5
Married status stays with you, marry into X clan however is a different action entirely (requires a Bride or Husband of the appropriate clan). Currently, neither this action nor Swear to the Spider lock out when performed, they merely become unavailable due to your clan restrictions being wrong, if you move again they become available again...
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 18:52:56 GMT -5
I don't think its worth the gymnastics really. At least I don't have the patience for it (moving from one Clan to another is all the optimization my patience can handle) and I think anyone that does have this kind of patience deserve the rewards (because it all sounds like a huge bother).
A curious question popped up to mind though Shagi, is there a Crane here on the forums (besides Yukihime and, I think, Fitsu and Naetaru) that isn't tainted? I'm starting to not want to ever set foot in the Crane lands again. There are so many tainted samurai that are or were Crane at some point that I can't see myself visiting Kyuden Doji without killing at least a couple people. I wonder if our Emperor is really secure among so many tainted individuals.
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Feb 7, 2012 18:59:34 GMT -5
Look on the Champions board. You'll find very few Crane with noticable taint. By that I mean 100+, which I think is a reasonable cut-off as that's when it prevents you marrying into any clan. If you want an absolute purist 0 or 1 taint stance, then there are probably about as many as in any other clan.
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 19:06:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I gotta agree that its not a problem faced solely by the Crane (imo, too many tainted people running around lately), its just that their players have more recently "changed sides" or openly recognized their taint than others (Joji is Crab, Saiko was Dragon, Alesha/Shokuma/Mitsouko/You are Crane, Yoee was Unicorn and there were others that I can't remember now).
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Feb 7, 2012 19:10:27 GMT -5
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Feb 7, 2012 19:13:28 GMT -5
Yeah, My 1 taint was due a misclick but I personally thought that, since I cannot change it, I should make it fun. The same way, all my infamy was due the "help" of my cousin clicking in jobs in my phone in my absense, (so sweet, Kakita Nirai!*choking the girl*). It happens. Others, differently from me, chose be tainted or infamous. Also, as I always said *coughs* , isn't not a matter of how much the Emperor is safe with us, but of how much we are safe with him...
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 19:18:13 GMT -5
Also, as I always said *coughs* , isn't not a matter of how much the Emperor is safe with us, but of how much we are safe with him... Why? Would you not sacrifice your life to protect your Emperor and all that he symbolizes? And Okibi, "ronin favor" I just loled ;D
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Feb 7, 2012 19:21:44 GMT -5
duty... not always what it seems to mean.
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Feb 7, 2012 19:29:07 GMT -5
Duelist Athletics, Kenjutsu, Hunting, Iaijutsu
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Starting Fate 42, Starting Koku 1,
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