Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 19:29:46 GMT -5
It's a shame to see that the daimyo of a family as important as the Kakita thinks like that.
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Kakita Mitsouko
Crane Clan Mod
::Daimyo::Kenshinzen::Hatamoto of Crane Clan::Paragon of Duty
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Feb 7, 2012 19:32:29 GMT -5
T_T Shame on me.
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
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Post by Zeure on Feb 7, 2012 20:22:20 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, the steps would be Clan1->Spider1->Clan2->Ronin1->Spider2->Ronin2
You could forseeably gain access to 6 sets of school skills, which would indeed give you a significant headstart on spending your skill points in many different areas. But, that being said, the overlap is such that you would be hard pressed to not be wasting your time.
Due to the way items work, one can get into the spider with only 1 'real' taint on their character sheet. And in fact, you only need to have that temporarily. As, again, due to the way items work you can burn it off by just equipping an item that grants you extra taint.
That is the reality of the situation. But, as was pointed out: 1, if you have the patience to do it, good on you, you deserve a cookie. And 2, it would not grant you a significant advantage in contests or anything like that, because it would come out to where you were proficient in...everything, a good all-rounder was the phrase used earlier, so... congratulations you can travel anywhere and do any job. And probably at a relatively low level. I don't see it as that big of a deal.
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Kakita Sojiro
Crane Clan Global Mod
When you die, will you be remembered, or will you be just another strand in the tapestry?
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Post by Kakita Sojiro on Feb 7, 2012 20:34:17 GMT -5
Most of the Crane have our "Damn that Pekkle-no-Oni!" 1 point of taint, at least as far as the players on the forum are concerned. We've chosen to represent it in various ways - Mitsu's is from her encounter with Alesha, Sojiro's is the result of the fortunes constantly finding ways to pit him against tainted enemies, ect. As far as Infamy goes.... well, some like Mitsu tend to avoid it. Certain other crane duelists with mismatched eyes have a fair amount of it (496 to be exact) because I feel, as a player, that with Sojiro's attitude and love for saki, he should be infamous to some degree, particularly with the more courtly types. Also in line with how I play the character, his honor is over ten times higher than his infamy
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 20:50:07 GMT -5
Also in line with how I play the character, his honor is over ten times higher than his infamy Lol, its always amusing to see such unofficial codes of conduct being created by a player for his/her character (I, for example, never let Manji's Glory be more than two times higher than his Honor). And I've been flirting with the idea of getting a little infamy myself, but still haven't decided on it.
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Post by Asahina Yuuto on Feb 7, 2012 21:07:28 GMT -5
A curious question popped up to mind though Shagi, is there a Crane here on the forums (besides Yukihime and, I think, Fitsu and Naetaru) that isn't tainted? You wound me deeply with my omission! Some of us are biding our time in quiet contemplation, smug and secure in our personal clicking ability, awaiting the day that we may expose those with tarnished feathers for their true intentions.
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Post by The Blue Ronin on Feb 7, 2012 21:12:20 GMT -5
< - Untainted
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 7, 2012 22:08:19 GMT -5
You wound me deeply with my omission! Ahh yes, a most unforgivable overlook on my part. Should've remembered that another noble Asahina stands untarnished in defense of our Empire Ryumon, long time no see. I remember when you were about to be accepted into the Crane but I don't remember what happened afterwards. Did you manage to find a suitable white haired bride? ;D
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Alesha
Spider Clan
Fallen Crane * Duelist * Bloodspeaker * Tactician * Maho-Bujin
Posts: 418
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Post by Alesha on Feb 8, 2012 3:51:37 GMT -5
I got my tainted becouse its good for you. Lets taint the empire!
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Post by Hida Joji on Feb 8, 2012 5:06:28 GMT -5
Can you PM me the cost to gift Hired Thugs? I'll update the FAQ threads with the info currently available.
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Post by Shoju on Feb 8, 2012 13:42:31 GMT -5
Gift List for Ronin Shugenja Rumorthe ronin Shoju shared a salacious rumor with you! 5 fate | 5 koku light infantrythe ronin Shoju sent a company of light infantry to your aid! 10 fate | 10 koku hired thugsthe ronin Shoju sent a band of hired thugs to your aid! 10 fate | 1 koku scoutthe ronin Shoju sent a trustworthy scout to guide your path. 10 fate | 5 koku minor shugenjathe ronin Shoju sent a minor shugenja to assist you! 10 fate | 15 koku light cavalrythe ronin Shoju sent a troop of light cavalry to your aid! 10 fate | 10 koku medium infantrythe ronin Shoju sent a company of medium infantry to your aid! 12 fate | 25 koku
The East Wind brotherhood has founded a ronin dojo in East Hub Village. Players may now start ronin characters, or abandon their clan to become ronin (at a high cost in infamy). Of course, no true samurai would consider forsaking their duty in this manner. I did want to giggle at the part that I bolded. Maybe I calloused by my character, but I was expecting more than 50 infamy. Like others have said, the clan hopping does eventually fall to the side of just Spider <----> Ronin swapping afterwards, and really it isn't beneficial to bounce around unless you are going for a balanced character sheet. Thank you for this Change Jay. Shoju's story in the click game is starting to mirror the story here, and I appreciate the opportunity to integrate the two.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Feb 8, 2012 14:24:05 GMT -5
Wow, Ronin have very good gifts. Let me know if you see any obvious way to abuse this, and/or any suggested fixes. Jay, a simple solution would be to give items that stay with the character whenever he joins a Clan (much like the married status). When someone joins the Spider, per example, he/she may get a "badge of loyalty" to Daigotsu that would prevent him from, say, keep hopping between Clans. The same could be done for Ronin, by giving them a "badge of infamy" (or something along those lines, just have to find the right name for the item). But, as many of us have discussed before, after a few successful combination of cool skills, hopping from one Clan to another loses its efficacy. And the most it can do is save some points (that would be invested in a primary skill used for contests) at the cost of much effort. Also, I gotta agree with Shoju regarding the infamy gain, 50 Infamy seems very low considering that when a samurai goes ronin he loses everything he has (his rights, his lands, his equipment, his name...). As I see it, that should award at least a 100 Infamy.
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Post by Shoju on Feb 8, 2012 14:35:58 GMT -5
Even 100 infamy, in the grand scheme of things isn't that much, but I could see 100 as a good number for it, since there are actions that you could take to end your characters life that would erase that 100 infamy, as an honorable way to die.
Things that would need to be managed with the infamy.
It can't be enough that constant swapping from Spider to Ronin would easily inflate you to the top of the leader boards.
Yes. People care about the infamy leader board.
yet, it still needs to be big enough of a hit to give people pause. No amount of infamy would have given me pause with Shoju, because its part of the story that I have worked for him, but if you make it high enough, people wont be looking to abuse it too often either.
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Feb 8, 2012 15:29:08 GMT -5
I'm not sure that increasing the infamy hit really does anything honestly. High infamy has very little impact to the game right now, other than the leaderboard (which could be seen as a positive).
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Hitsuzu
Dragon Clan
Ronin, Ise Zumi, Bloodspeaker's bane, Friendly Traveller (with Sak
Posts: 52
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Post by Hitsuzu on Feb 8, 2012 15:34:20 GMT -5
Maybe you could lose glory too? Becoming a wave man isn't the type of things helping someone's goal of renown...
Can you stay famous and respected if no one is talking about or helping you?
Maybe something harsh to the glory could be giving pause to people...
But I think letting people switch clans is not too big of a deal, even if some always try to abuse it...
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