Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Apr 17, 2012 15:24:23 GMT -5
In fairness, at the gaming table Jay *always* plays a Crane - he does a very fine one, I'll say! ;D That said, Jay is VERY fair-minded. While elements of the game may not be implemented perfectly (he creates this game for no remuneration, purely as a hobby and to run an interesting, evolving campaign - hopefully catching the "feel" of L5R - and does so in his spare time, which is not extensive given his demanding job as a programmer, his relatively high-maintenance relationship (sorry, I must jibe Alison just a little), AND his and Alison's many cats, as well as his other gaming and geeky interests. Frankly, he sacrifices quite a lot in the making of the game and - impressively - never complains about the time and effort involved, nor even the occasional uncharitable comments the playerbase level at him! Impressive. Are there things I would do differently? Yes, but it's not my game to run, only to play. Jay approached me - one of his gaming "crowd" in Atlanta (we play L5R and Shadowrun together, among other things) - to try out his "beta effort" for a FB game. I'm sure he is as surprised as I am at how long it has persisted and how many players have enjoyed it. I do think possibly it was a mistake to develop an in-game civil war; it's always hazardous to divide players into opposing camps in an irreversible way, especially when that conflict is, ultimately, zero-sum. Considering that people place *real* time and effort in play, it's inevitable that in-game tensions will manifest in real life. Again, I will stress that Jay has NEVER conspired to favor one side against another in a pre-determined way. The game is imperfect (as are perhaps all games, save for "Hex" which is provably solvable and PSPACE-complete), and I think it is an understandable manifestation of selective perception to accuse it as being "impartial"; that said, it's worth taking a moment to sit back, and to realize that disappointment does't equate with victimization. Just wanted to pop in and make this comment while I consider an RP direction for Takezo ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Akodo Kenzo
Lion Clan
Lion Clan * Bushi * Tactician * Shireikan of the Akodo Army * Ambassador to the Scorpion Clan
Posts: 371
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Post by Akodo Kenzo on Apr 17, 2012 15:28:40 GMT -5
It's understandable that people will lose sight of that, and that in the heat of this, not word things well. Trust me. I remember being blindingly furious about things when this all started. While I mention your name to start my post, DO NOT think that it was solely directed, or as a result of "just" you. There has been a slow buildup of the attitude lately, and with attitudes sour at this point, your post provided an... "intro" into posting it. I have been trying to figure out the best way to approach the topic since it started cropping up. Fair enough.
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Post by Hida Joji on Apr 17, 2012 18:06:42 GMT -5
I say this from time to time because it's always true. Light blue bunny is amazing. This FB game + Forum is so much more than Mafia WArs or any of those FB click games. I love this! That said I'm eager to see what happens next! OOT: (we play L5R and Shadowrun together, among other things) Those two and Bushido must be the roleplays I've played longest in my 22y RPG life ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Awesome to see those still survive somewhere in Atlanta!
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quarim
Dragon Clan
Merchant*Qolat*Gaijin
Posts: 334
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Post by quarim on Apr 17, 2012 18:16:12 GMT -5
Maybe I should move to Atlanta. Then I could get a good game in.
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Takezo
Dragon Clan
Shugyosha, Loyal retainer of Toturi, Dragon Champion-in-exile
Posts: 415
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Post by Takezo on Apr 17, 2012 18:18:42 GMT -5
Maybe I should move to Atlanta. Then I could get a good game in. For whatever reason, there is a TON of gaming here (mostly Pathfinder nowadays!)
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star.png)
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Apr 17, 2012 18:21:22 GMT -5
Seems like it wasn't only around here that D&D 4e traumatized people then ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png) And Shadowrun is highly amusing. Been trying to bring back my old group recently, with some luck things will finally work out before the end of the month.
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Apr 17, 2012 20:00:17 GMT -5
Frankly I agree with just about everything Takezo said. Since day 1 i have been kind of against the civil war as i know whichever side lost would probably drop out, sadly it just turned out to be my side. As i recently moved to DC i have had little time to play the game and have been off doing other things. I continued clicking through out the war but could not continue to put in a great enough effort but to be honest this vote clicking effort has become rather tiresome. I believe that Jay did everything in his power to make it fair, and while i know i did my fair share of bragging (and maybe a little more ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png) ) during our wins, i still have not liked the idea of a civil war. Sadly there is no roleplaying reason as to why jin should remain alive. His home has been taken and he failed to protect it. I'd rather him have died in combat but am willing to seppuku. Send me a pm with your choice of which one you'd prefer and i shall create an rp in lion lands. Akodo Jin will die either way and at this moment still not sure if i even want to play anymore. I do wish to thank jay for his hard work and fair handed style of running the game. I know it hasn't been easy. I wish to also thank my brothers and sisters in the lion clan... it has been an honor
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
Posts: 484
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Post by Utaku Mai on Apr 17, 2012 20:58:11 GMT -5
I think Jin's story sounds like the perfect beginning for a new life as a deathseeker, but that's just me. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Akodo Keisuke
Lion Clan Mod ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star.png)
Lion Clan Regent ?Samurai ?Daimyo ?First Among Generals ?Tactician ?Commander ?Loyal
Posts: 704
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Apr 17, 2012 23:47:19 GMT -5
+13 I think Jin's story sounds like the perfect beginning for a new life as a deathseeker, but that's just me. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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Shosuro Honzo
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Shosuro Daimyo * Ninja* "Master of Shadows"* Loyal * Unique
Posts: 194
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Post by Shosuro Honzo on Apr 17, 2012 23:50:11 GMT -5
Well, I'm at the university and can't really make a proper post, but I would like to congratulate all my Dragon brothers and sisters and our Scorpion allies (we will not forget you). What I find most humorous and ironic is that Manji is now willing to help the Scorpion, when in recent memory, IIRC, Manji was responsible for foiling our attempt at assassinating lady Domotai in an attempt to get their candidate (or the Lion's bride) chosen instead. The Scorpion had always been allies to the Dragon, as the figures show, but the Dragon are truly the duplicitous ones. Why then, does the Empire hate us so? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by The Book Keeper on Apr 18, 2012 0:07:34 GMT -5
As a member of this fine forms I started out as a dragon, and as talks in this war progressed I was more and more sad by my clan, there was only a few that even seamed to try to work on things, and I think that this is a major problem with the big clans, and after I left and joined the spider, a smaller clan. The forms where fun for me all over again and I found a place where everyone regardless of sides just talk and work things out, and yes sometimes we joke to much but there is only respect in the spider for our brethren and they truly are the best allies anyone could have. Every side will have their loss and victories, but please don’t get mad and quit, just try to find something that truly makes you happy on hear. As a ex member of the dragon I just hope that there will be peace soon so everyone can just RP and have a great time and not get so angry, now the spider me just want to see more things for the smaller clans and to be recognized as a clan and could not care unless you’re one of the few who try to talk to people on hear. And just let people have fun and do what they want. To the Dragon. I am happy with your victory, you guys worked hard with your battle and against many advantages. But you guys pulled throw and did a great job. Personally I would like to see what you guys do with the castle after this is all over, but I hope it remains with you. You guys earned it. Or you could turn it in to a place for open for everyone especially ronin? Just an idea. To the Lion. I’m sorry about the loss of your castle's yes it sucks, and I’m sorry for it. I really wish there was an option to just let the two emperors fight. But till that time I’m sorry you’re getting hit on a lot of sides. And yes you guys did do a lot of work but then a lot of sides did a lot of work To the Crane. You guys got the worst hand in this war, you where attacked on three sides, and you guys have struggled and fought for every single victory, you have done a tremendous job.im sorry that you guys are getting so much hate, you where like the little dude being jumped when this started. You truly had the short end of the stick. To the Scorpion. I’m in an odd position for me it seems you are on the side of both the spider and the dragon. And that makes me happy but in the player base I see members go everywhere, you guys are the ninjas and pull off amazing plans. I hope when you get to the Shadowlands we could work out an alliance maybe an arachnid alliance? To the Smaller clans. This war has been odd and from what I have seen has had a lot of people change clans. I just hope that after this war is over and people go to find happiness you guys will get your numbers back up and I hope to see you all have a lot more actions in this game. You all a great and tremendous fighters you have my utmost respect as a players. PS you all are awsome ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) have a good night
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Daigotsu Daisuke
Spider Clan
Former Lion Bushi - Newly Initiated Maho Tsukai
Posts: 330
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Post by Daigotsu Daisuke on Apr 18, 2012 0:52:41 GMT -5
There is no honor in continuing to fight an opponent who is already known to be a superior adversary. While it might make an interesting story there is no in character reason for jin to keep living. The death seeker is always something i thought to be a bit silly and more so slightly contrived. Death is the only way my friends. So choose which it will be
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod ![*](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/stars/star.png)
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Apr 18, 2012 5:08:29 GMT -5
The Scorpion had always been allies to the Dragon, as the figures show, but the Dragon are truly the duplicitous ones. You call it duplicity, I call it principle. My intention was never to "go against the Scorpion" (I have allies and friends in the Scorpion, IC and OoC) but to save the Imperial Bride. No matter the Clan of the Bride (be it Crane, Lion, Mantis, Dragon or Phoenix) and no matter the Clan of the would be assassin (any of those that have Stealth as a school skill), I would've done exactly the same. Being friendly towards the Scorpion (exchanging gifts, helping during the CWV invasion and such) has absolutely nothing to do with allowing the Imperial Bride to be murdered. But you are free to believe whatever you wish, my actions speak for themselves.
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Post by Hida Joji on Apr 18, 2012 5:47:43 GMT -5
Less talk and more Item listing! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) Need help from Toturi camp on the War council actions as those are hard to do. Hantei ppl I need your actions as well! Thx, Hida Joji
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Enishi
Dragon Clan
Ninja * shadow * tattooed * Mad prophet of Nothing
Posts: 254
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Post by Enishi on Apr 18, 2012 6:08:19 GMT -5
I think Shokuma listed pretty much everything we have right now?
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