Kakita Sojiro
Crane Clan Global Mod
When you die, will you be remembered, or will you be just another strand in the tapestry?
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Post by Kakita Sojiro on Sept 18, 2013 19:24:36 GMT -5
So are the Scorpion ..... wait, was that my out loud voice?
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Kakita Mitsouko
Crane Clan Mod
::Daimyo::Kenshinzen::Hatamoto of Crane Clan::Paragon of Duty
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Post by Kakita Mitsouko on Sept 19, 2013 6:45:02 GMT -5
Uhn... Why I thought people voting for your XP would be a better thing than nothing, though I am still not sure it can work:
1. Like Zeure properly said, it's rather arbitrary. Some will think you did it well, some others will not. It can turn into a popularity contest, yes, I think so. Still, I do not think it can make new players's possibilities less brilliant. Because in a game there will be the elders and the neophites. If a new player work hard to get enough points, we know he will. In EE last year, some new players did it.
2. taking away the responsibility of giving XP from the mods will also take away from them the responsibility of reading A LOT (and I mean Lots and lots) of threads. It can be really time consuming, it can delay the XP giving, It can give the impression some mods are favoring some players and ignoring others, it can raise several accusations against mods. I know you can imagine the scenario perfectly well.
3. I was imagining a way of making people READ other threads they aren't in. I admit, I did read few threads I wasn't in. And I know few people read the ones they weren't in as well. Time consuming, not interested, and so on. But, I thought if people felt compelled into reading other people's threads, they could opine without really cross into a RP thread to comment. Also, I think people will grasp a little better what's really going on in the story.
4. Any other automatic system to give XP (by post, for instance) would tend to fail (or so I imagine) or cause controversy. Imagine the following scenario: Shoju (a "laureate" and recognized writer here in the forums, so I grabbed him as example of a well written, full of passion post) writes a 4,000 words description of scenary, thoughts, reasons, dialogues in a post and earns 1 XP. Then Mitsu, (yeah, me) is in the same scene and puts the following post: "MADUDENSS keeps her blasé and superior stance, and waits." And in the next 10 posts, Mitsu does the same, earning 10 XP. I think with the honest opinion of the reader, it would not happen (yeah, It still can happen, with organized groups gifting each other with XP regardless common sense. "Normal People", using common sense and fair play, would see, I hope, that Mitsu is either a very poor roleplayer, or is just trying to earn XP without too much effort). Though I think we can find ways to control it, mod-wise). Of course we can stipulate rules for karma giving… I still don't know.
Anyway, the karma system is not really perfect for what we need. I know it. I didn't find any other plugin able to give XP or the like. But I won't like the idea of having mods/GMs/admin doing it all alone. It's too much work, and too controversial.
But… despite the fact I am here discussing XP rules, as said Shoju, it's better to see how the plugins work and if they work at all, before further discussions. I shared my thoughts because Zeure touched in a matter I was already thinking of, and found interesting to share with you guys.
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Post by Shoju on Sept 19, 2013 9:37:13 GMT -5
Here is something that I would like to talk about, which kind of brings in everything from a mechanics / story point:
The Story Team. There is just no way that one person is going to be able to crank out a Story Arc, and keep the game going for any sustainable time. Hell, Even Jay had times when he was stuck, overwhelmed, and trying to please a lot.
I would like to have a group of people who are building the story for the next go around. People who each have a focus on things, but in the end are collaborating with each other to make sure that the story is cohesive.
Let's face it. The Great Clans, The imperial side of things, whatever Shadowlands we have, The bad guys, the Ronin, There is a lot out there to put together.
I would love to be a part of that. I wont lie, I'm probably best suited for Minor Clan / Shaddylands / Conflict type of stuff. My knowledge of the in depth court side of things is sketchy, to almost uninformed in a lot of ways. As a player, I never had much love for the Crane, / courtiers / court stuff, except from a very Scorpion Perspective.
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Isawa Mitsuru
Phoenix Clan
Shugenja ? Void ? Experienced
Posts: 113
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Post by Isawa Mitsuru on Sept 19, 2013 10:39:19 GMT -5
I feel like I could contribute profitably to the imperial and court side of the story. We'd want somebody good to play out the military side of the great clans as well.
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Isawa Mitsuru
Phoenix Clan
Shugenja ? Void ? Experienced
Posts: 113
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Post by Isawa Mitsuru on Sept 19, 2013 13:09:23 GMT -5
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Saiko
Spider Clan
Here we stand, at the end of all things...
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Post by Saiko on Sept 19, 2013 16:03:53 GMT -5
Back, after a delay that was partially a lack of internet and partially a lack of finding new internet on account of distractions >_>
Anyway. I don't really have anything to say that hasn't already been said as far as what options we should go for. Whatever is decided upon, I will make an effort to make it as fun and enjoyable for everyone involved in any way I can. That being said, I do love story writing, and while I probably have less experience with Rokugani lore in particular than the rest of you, I've been writing my own D&D/Fallout/WoD campaigns since I was old enough to understand story concept ;D
I guess what I'm really trying to say is, it's awesome to see people coming back and making this real again, and I can't wait until we can really get this thing rolling again, regardless of how exactly we go about it.
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Kakita Sojiro
Crane Clan Global Mod
When you die, will you be remembered, or will you be just another strand in the tapestry?
Posts: 900
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Post by Kakita Sojiro on Sept 19, 2013 16:14:10 GMT -5
I love the idea of a storyteller team, and would love to be included on said team.
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Zeure
Crane Clan
Crane Clan ? Samurai ? Duelist ? Artisan ? Guardian of Metal ? Unique
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Post by Zeure on Sept 19, 2013 19:04:09 GMT -5
I kinda think that we'd all have to be, to some extent, on the team. We're kinda the founders, as it were. Of the new thing at least. I'm most versed in lore of the game, as well as magical stuffs. I've done in depth studies in things that aren't human. Comes with the GMing for many years thing.
Edit: Mitsu-nee, we shall speak more later on that stuff, I agree. It is best to save it for when we have the other systems up and running.
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
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Post by Utaku Mai on Sept 19, 2013 20:34:39 GMT -5
I'm, of course, happy to help out mapping out plots and such.
I just had an idea for some kind of mechanical trick (presuming Proboards can even allow for this) to give a check-and-balance between the different voting stats. Maybe one aspect of it can be total post count (maybe more like total word count than posts if that's possible), that can be 'experience'. Then maybe some limited ability for player voting for RP things, as an incentive to get people to read things outside of their own stuff, and they can throw around as much as 5 or so karma points to different people in a day cycle. Let's say that's an 'influence' stat. That way neither one is overpowering the other, and people can feel a little more involved in the buildup, BUT it would be balanced away from simple popularity contests. High experience points would lead to better abilities, but influence can raise a character's status. Aside from that I'd like to see if it might be possible to include some kind of honor/glory stat because that's such a big part of L5R flavor, taint as well but it shouldn't be public unless it's visible.
This is a lot and I might be overestimating Proboard's potential, but it's what came to me pontificating on it today.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Sept 19, 2013 21:03:34 GMT -5
I want to control npcs! especially if that means Bayushi Senshi, Akodo Tomatsu, Hida Setsuro, Doji Yoshi, and that crew! *claims land nao!*
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Sept 19, 2013 21:21:30 GMT -5
I think kharma system can change into a glory system more or less easily, as long as people practice some fair play, giving kharma is muck like "like" what a people says, supporting her and so on. Could work for glory, in my opinion. Is simulates well the efforts of clans and individuals to attack one's fame or to raise one's fame. About honor, hum, much more complicated to do automatically. May be some specific threads could raise honor (temples, duels, you name it, just instances here) but it would require lots of effort to make it work >.o Anyway, I agree honor/glory are somewhat central to the idea of L5R. Proboards has lots of potential, our coding skills are much more limited than proboards right now
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Doji Naetaru
Crane Clan
Doji Daimyo - Courtier - Otomo Twin
Posts: 687
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Post by Doji Naetaru on Sept 20, 2013 11:36:36 GMT -5
Guys! I saw the thread right now! Sorry for the delay! I wish to help in any way possible! Please consider me in! ;D EDIT: Ok, now that I've read the whole 4 pages of it, I am interested in contributing to the story-building of the game. If you wish, I would like to participate as a member of the storytelling team. Let me be frank though, as a storyteller my focus of expertise was court intrigue, matters of honor and succession, as well as political plots. (Just adding my 2 cents)
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Kakita Sojiro
Crane Clan Global Mod
When you die, will you be remembered, or will you be just another strand in the tapestry?
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Post by Kakita Sojiro on Sept 20, 2013 18:25:01 GMT -5
Naetaru, you have my full support for all things political. I've seen what you do
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Doji Naetaru
Crane Clan
Doji Daimyo - Courtier - Otomo Twin
Posts: 687
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Post by Doji Naetaru on Sept 23, 2013 2:20:48 GMT -5
Thank you for your trust my friend
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Isawa Mitsuru
Phoenix Clan
Shugenja ? Void ? Experienced
Posts: 113
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Post by Isawa Mitsuru on Sept 23, 2013 21:30:09 GMT -5
So, if nobody minds, I'd like to volunteer as the initial story coordinator. This position entails very little influence except for the wrangling of suggestions for the initial state of things and the typing up of story ideas that the story team comes up with.
Also,If no one is horribly opposed, I'd like to discuss the specifics of the stories on the sandbox forum.
It seems like, so far, most people are in favor of forwarding from the old storyline either e few years or a generations worth. We want to have the empire be rebuilding and then have a large event that brings together the players from around the empire. Also there should be the revelation of some impending threat and that will pretty much start us off for the overarching plot. Does this sound about right?
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