Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Aug 14, 2011 1:13:55 GMT -5
Well, if the code works the way most HTML/Java apps do, it stores each player's information in a file, usually a comma separated text file, and it would be a simple line of code to tell the system to take the data point for character level, divide by 10, round down and add the result to a data file that accumulates all the votes. For those of us that are not web designers/computer scientists. Could you please say this in English?
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Agasha Shodai
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 14, 2011 9:12:54 GMT -5
Okay, each player has a file that is stored on the game database. It records what actions we've taken (which is how it knows what % or mastery level we have for tasks.) Because it tracks this, the system can calculate experience totals, levels, glory, the whole shooting match.
The line of code would be extremely simple...
It would go something like, "On click of voting button, perform the following...": 1) Refer to player's level total, 2) Divide by 10 (giving us 10%), 3) Round down to nearest whole number (i.e. 18.4 becomes 18), 4) Add the result to the action file (the tool that lets Jay track the votes per action).
Then when the voting is closed, he tells the system to give him the sum of all the numbers in the action file and the result is the result.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 14, 2011 10:13:27 GMT -5
Personally, I feel the system we have now makes a lot of sense. Dedicating time to an issue instead of just stating an opinion is reflected when you stay in court for weeks vs 1 day.
The one click vote wouldn't work very well for one simple reason: Anyone could still dedicate themselves by continually creating new characters to vote.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 14, 2011 10:54:44 GMT -5
And that would be more dangerous since everybody can compete in spending favours but nobody honourable create fake accounts for voting purposes (so one villian can change the whole vote).
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Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Aug 14, 2011 11:35:56 GMT -5
Personally, I feel the system we have now makes a lot of sense. Dedicating time to an issue instead of just stating an opinion is reflected when you stay in court for weeks vs 1 day. The one click vote wouldn't work very well for one simple reason: Anyone could still dedicate themselves by continually creating new characters to vote. It is a lot harder for a person to create another account then it is for someone to just continually click the voting. I am not saying that there are not people that would do that I am simply saying that it would be much harder. A way to somewhat prevent this is to not fix the slight flaw with Shodai's code. Since the code divides by 10 and then rounds down anyone under level 10 would have 0 votes. This system would prevent people from creating new accounts to just spam the votes since they would also have to level up those accounts to 10 before they could vote. It is still possible that people would do this, but it would be much harder and far more work for them to do so. Another reason that I suggested implementing this way of voting is so that more members of a clan have the ability to sway the vote and it requires much more leadership and political savy in order to convince an entire clan. I think it would help bring a depth to the rokuganee boards that would really show how rping and political maneuvering here can effect EE on facebook.
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 14, 2011 12:16:26 GMT -5
Kazuma-san, although I do agree with you that a more balanced voting method would be good, I do think that the points made by Kiso-san and Shigekazu-san are valid. And level 10 is quite easy to get. If someone already went to the trouble to create a new e-mail and facebook account solely to vote, why not level up the characters a bit? Level 10 can be attained in, what, one or two days?
I would suggest minimum amounts of Glory/Honor, but that would affect the players with negative amounts in those stats. Unless there were two different voting actions, one with a Glory/Honor prerequisite and another with a -Glory/-Honor prerequisite. But that may be too needlessly complex and it would exclude players in the initial levels (how many to be decided by the amount required). Thus, I see no clear solution for this problem that can really surpass the method we're already using.
I do appreciate what you're trying to say though and it would be nice if someone found a viable alternative for the "vote spam" that resulted in more involved rping.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 14, 2011 12:19:53 GMT -5
Level 10 = 900exp. Assuming that fate/xp rate equals 1 it is only 15 hours of work. You can play nearly simultanously large number of characters, so after one full day you get... lets say 100 votes. It is equal to 5 characters on 200 level. Of course such activity could be easily tracked, but not in every case.
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Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Aug 14, 2011 13:51:22 GMT -5
Personally 15 hours seems like a long time to devote to characters in order to change a vote. I am not saying that this will not be done, I am simply saying it would be limited in scope because of the amount of time and energy required to do so.
My final thought is that there are high level people on the boards and on EE who do not have the time to devote to voting due to a lack of time. I would like to see that these people, who have already put a lot of time and effort into EE, not get their say in a matter simply because they did not have the time.
That being said I am not discounting all of the counter arguments that I have heard, I think that by combining many of the ideas together there may be a common ground that can be reached that could be agreed upon by both sides of the issue.
Perhaps it could be something as simple as having another action for each clan called "lobby for support" and that action has a random drop that allows you to vote. Make the requirement of this action something that the players can easily do, but takes time. A good requirement might be something like 20 fate and 5 koku as well as a clan favor. This would allow higher level players to do this action multiple times and obtain more votes, while also helping to control the number of votes people can obtain in a certain amount of time. Then once the player has the votes they take them to go vote.The requirements for voting should be something like 15 fate and 3 koku to, once again, cause a slight bottle neck to try and slow spammers.
I am not saying that this is the plan that should be followed, but it is something that could still give high level players an advantage over low level players, people who spend more time in court an advantage over those that do not, and make it so that people here on the boards are still trying to lobby for support since each vote now has a higher value to everyone in the clan.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 14, 2011 14:58:44 GMT -5
Kazuma-sama, how adding another action that requires Clan Favors and drops voting items could change on better current situation? The problem is that one person spend large amount of time on farming Clan Favors and performing voting missions - in your conception problem still occurs. You even add two new problems - more coding for Jay and (as voting item drops at random) possibility that someone spends a lot of time and lot of favors and is unable to vote due to no drop.
And about advantage over new players - the longer you play you have more fate (so you can visit game less often than those who starts and still use all possible fate) and more spare items. So why older players should get even more? They already have an advantage.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 14, 2011 15:24:17 GMT -5
While its always nice to get more ring tokens, adding that minor bottle neck hurts passive players more then "dedicated" ones, and really just results in a smaller vote count.
I understand your worry about one individual possibly voting well beyond others....but in rp terms that could easily seen as the person being able to convince the others to feel the same way they do.
I really don't know what else to say, since just about any method could theoretically be manipulated one way or another. I think most people are fine with the mechanic as is. *shrug*
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Bayushi Hisa
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Aug 15, 2011 17:18:19 GMT -5
I would love an action that would eat up some of these Suzume retainers I have laying around.
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Agasha Shodai
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 15, 2011 20:07:28 GMT -5
Agreed! I've got 105 of them!
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Post by Yasuki Chad on Aug 15, 2011 20:42:33 GMT -5
Has anyone made a list of drops that are both numerous and of negligible use? (Tetsubo, Suzume retainor, Toku Retainor, Tsuruchi Longbow, No-Dachi, and so on)
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Bayushi Hisa
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Post by Bayushi Hisa on Aug 15, 2011 21:38:57 GMT -5
Tetsubo had a use in valley of two generals action "Handle Discipline Problems" but since the war started those missions have disappeared. No-Dachi has a turn in at the Shadowed Dojo.
Suzume Retainer, Toku Retainer, Tsuruchi Longbow, Elite Archers, and Bokken I think are the only ones that are numerous and of no (current) use. Well and tetsubo now I guess.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Aug 15, 2011 22:43:01 GMT -5
Tetsubo is a requirement in training with the Damned; Tsuruchi Longbow is one of the best items for kyujutsu. Though list of unused but often dropping items may be good. Any volunteers?
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