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Post by Shoju on Apr 13, 2012 12:25:29 GMT -5
As amusing as it would be I doubt we'll see a tattoo removal service in this game (i.e. action costs: Mark). Half the items you list have actions you can spend them on. If you choose not to it's your choice. For example, I have 162 hired thugs which I'm not using, but there are several action I could master. 1.) Ancient Armor (have: 79) - No Action to spend it on (1) 2.) Anicent Sword (have: 73) - No Action to spend it on (2) 3.) Anti-Crane Plot (have: 223) - There has been 1 action to spend this on. A 1 click only action No Current Use (3) 4.) Anti-Kaneka Plot (have: 63) - No Action to spend it on. (4) 5.) Anti-Lion Plot (have: 166) - Max Mastered the Assassinate Lion Officers, and still have 166. 6.) Archers (have: 288) - Max Mastery obtained on all actions using archers. 7.) Badge of Authority (have: 28) - No Action to Spend it on (5) 8.) Benten's Touch (have: 132) - No Action to Spend it on (6) 9.) Berserker Followers (have: 61) - No Action to Spend it on (7) 10.) Blackmail (have: 81) - No Available Action to Spend it on (8) 11.) Blessing (have: 459) - Max Mastery obtained on all actions that req blessing. 12.) Bokken (have: 50) - No action to spend it on (9) 13.) Current Gossip (have: 29) - No Action to Spend it on (10) 14.) Elegant Kimono (have: 504) - NO Current Action to spend it on (11) 15.) Focus (have: 107) - No Current Action to Spend it on (12) 16.) Hachi's Favor (have: 57) - No Action to Spend it on (13) 17.) Heavy Infantry (have: 509) - Max mastery on the ONE Action that uses them currently. 18.) Kaiu Blade (have: 45) - No Action to Spend it on (14) 19.) Mark of the Ninth Kami (have: 102) No Action to Spend it on (15) 20.) Maya Sasumata (have: 34) - No Action to Spend it on (16) 21.) Naginata (have: 87) - No Action to Spend it on (17) 22.) Siege Engine (have: 62) - No Action to Spend it on (18) 23.) Sumi-E Set (have: 158) - Max Mastery on all actions it requires, still have this many. 24.) Tetsubo (have: 83) - No Action to Spend it on (19) /nitpicking on
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but in a list of 24 items, 5 of them having a current use does not make half. /nitpicing offNow that we got that out of the way, of the 19 items that currently have no way to spend them, less than 5 of them have had a way to spend them in some way shape or form. Leaving 14+ of them never being used as the cost for an action, and a handful of them that people will still have rattling around in their inventories, and that doesn't even include everything that I could have listed that had a use at some point or another that doesn't anymore. For items like Mark of the Ninth Kami, You are thinking too finite. I'm not asking to remove them. I'm asking to.... Spead them. What if there was a job that you could do that was.... "Corrupt blah blah blah group of people." and it cost: Lies, and Mark of the Ninth Kami to complete. That would in turn mean that I am lying to people, to a point where I'm able to give them the gift of mark of the ninth kami, in turn, corrupting them.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
Posts: 625
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Apr 13, 2012 14:06:32 GMT -5
...How many items on this list are just from simple clicking an actions to emerald mastery and how many are build-ups from grinding an action past emerald?
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Post by Shoju on Apr 13, 2012 14:30:05 GMT -5
1.) Ancient Armor (have: 79) - Farmed. I still had 20+ at max mastery 2.) Anicent Sword (have: 73) - Farmed. I still had 20+ at max mastery 3.) Anti-Crane Plot (have: 223) - Farmed. On a Vote Action 4.) Anti-Kaneka Plot (have: 63) - From simple Max Mastery of Actions 5.) Anti-Lion Plot (have: 166) - Farmed. On a Vote Action 6.) Archers (have: 288) - Simple Max Mastery. 7.) Badge of Authority (have: 28) - Simple Max Mastery 8.) Benten's Touch (have: 132) - Unsure. Most likely from Max Mastery of the actions it could drop from. 9.) Berserker Followers (have: 61) - Simple Max Mastery 10.) Blackmail (have: 81) - Simple Max Mastery 11.) Blessing (have: 459) - Farmed. Most assuredly, and mentioned. 12.) Bokken (have: 50) - Simple Max Mastery 13.) Current Gossip (have: 29) - Simple Max Mastery 14.) Elegant Kimono (have: 504) - farmed. Obviously 15.) Focus (have: 107) - Simple Max Mastery 16.) Hachi's Favor (have: 57) - Simple Max Mastery. Possibly a LITTLE Farming. 17.) Heavy Infantry (have: 509) - Simple Max mastery. 18.) Kaiu Blade (have: 45) - Some Farming. not much though. 19.) Mark of the Ninth Kami (have: 102) Farming. Accquiring Bloodspeaker's tools for the plethora of actions that take them as a Spider. 20.) Maya Sasumata (have: 34) - Simple Max Mastery 21.) Naginata (have: 87) - Simple Max Mastery 22.) Siege Engine (have: 62) - Simple Max Mastery 23.) Sumi-E Set (have: 158) - Simple Max Mastery 24.) Tetsubo (have: 83) - Simple Max Mastery
13 of the 24, I can confirm from simple max mastery. Another few that were light farming. Then there are things like Blessings, and Mark of the Ninth Kami that you get inordinate amounts from simply by using good farming practices for items for other jobs.
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Post by Shokuma on Apr 13, 2012 17:24:30 GMT -5
I've had a look at my inventory, and I'm finding a pretty similar selection of overstock, with the following notable additions:
Elite Archers (55) Fishermen (55) Paper lantern (69) Poison (77) Puzzle box (33) Sashimono (32) Scroll case (36)
I'd also be really keen to see a use for clan mons other than the "Train Ashigaru". I have 323 assorted mons currently.
Shoju, you may want to have a look at Seven Stings Keep for getting rid of some Blackmail now that you have a Scorpion Ally.
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Apr 13, 2012 18:13:29 GMT -5
Just because you are emerald doesn't mean you can't spend the item, and many of your items could have been spent in the past. 1.) Ancient Armor : N/A 2.) Anicent Sword : N/A 3.) Anti-Crane Plot : Old Action 4.) Anti-Kaneka Plot : Old Action 5.) Anti-Lion Plot : Available Action 6.) Archers : Available Action 7.) Badge of Authority : N/A 8.) Benten's Touch : N/A 9.) Berserker Followers : N/A 10.) Blackmail : Available Action 11.) Blessing : Action Available 12.) Bokken : Old Action 13.) Current Gossip : N/A (corrected) 14.) Elegant Kimono : Old Action 15.) Focus : Old Action 16.) Hachi's Favor : N/A 17.) Heavy Infantry : Available Action 18.) Kaiu Blade : N/A 19.) Mark of the Ninth Kami : N/A 20.) Maya Sasumata : N/A 21.) Naginata : N/A 22.) Siege Engine : Old Action 23.) Sumi-E Set : Available Action 24.) Tetsubo : Available Action (Crab training)
11/24 with Never Available actions is ~46%, so I guess I was wrong since I underestimated. And since my point was that you choose not to spend them I stand by my point. But truthfully I think there are two items up there that require choosing a different side in the war, so I guess it is more than 50%.
I too generally don't spend past emerald, but I'm having to do so now to emerald the various other actions available. So I guess (getting back to the point of this thread) I wish that there was either another master tier, or some actions would reset/refresh or have new alternate locations.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Apr 19, 2012 6:09:24 GMT -5
Hmm, missed this the first time...Okibi-san, what action did you ever see that allowed you to spend Current Gossip? I do not remember such an action and was on the lookout for one. Perhaps a Phoenix only one?
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Apr 19, 2012 11:24:34 GMT -5
I was mistaken there; I was thinking of the other gossips that were used very early in the game. That item in particular is a bit odd since it appears to be intended to be consumable but was never implemented.
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Post by Shoju on Apr 19, 2012 12:42:47 GMT -5
Anti-Crane Plot -> You needed ONE for the action. Period. No More. With the amount of these rolling around in peoples inventories, it is a very valid reason to point out that they could be used for more, especially as a cost for the Spiders who have tons of them.
Anti-Lion Plot -> One action in game requires it. That's it. With the amount of these rolling around in peoples inventories, it is a very valid reason to point out that they could be used for more, , especially as a cost for the Spiders who have tons of them.
Anti-Kaneka Plot -> What action was available for this? I don't ever remember seeing an action like this, and I've been playing since before the original winter court. I THINK I remember an action that took them back with the Crane Daimyo / Kaneka thing blew up, but there have been actions since then that have dropped them. Meaning, they were awarded for completing a job after the job they might have been used for was removed from the game.
Archers -> There are available actions, and after mastery, people still have plenty. Mentioning that it has been a while since we have had a new action that requires archers when people have a large amount of archers isn't a bad thing.
Blackmail -> What action is currently available to use blackmail? I have traveled the breadth of the Empire, and found no current action that requires Blackmail.
Blessing -> There are available actions, and after mastery, people still have plenty. Mentioning that it has been a while since we have had a new action that requires archers when people have a large amount of archers isn't a bad thing. Especially when they are a drop from an action that has been heavily farmed for the recent war efforts.
Bokken -> Never had an action. You are probably thinking of Bo Staff.
Focus -> One old action. Even without farming people still have plenty of them, and they still drop.
Heavy Infantry -> One Action in game. They have not been used in any of the war actions. Only in the Experimentation action related to the plague.
I don't quite understand why you have such a problem with me posting items that are accumulating space, aren't used | are underused | Haven't been used in a while, in a place that is meant as feedback for the game. No where, have I even come close to being 'forceful' in my mentioning of "hey, I have a lot of these items, I'm sure a lot of people do. Maybe they would work out as costs for future jobs". I've gone out of my way to make SURE that it isn't even close to a demand.
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Shagi the Mad
Crane Clan
Fallen Crane * Scout * Mad * Shadowlands * Experienced 4 Hiruma Shagi
Posts: 180
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Post by Shagi the Mad on Apr 19, 2012 14:05:50 GMT -5
Well, there is an action that uses Blackmail at Seven Stings Keep and I'm pretty sure there was an action that used Anti-Kaneka plots in the run-up to the war. But on the whole, I think you have a point. I have 13 different items that I have over 160 of, enough to emerald two actions (OK, I have only myself to blame for the 1100 Dragon Favours and 950 Phoenix Mon). On the other hand, I could have 1000 more gold and still not emerald all the actions that need it.
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Post by Shoju on Apr 19, 2012 14:08:51 GMT -5
I will have to investigate the seven stings keep blackmail mission.
You are right. there was one leading up to the war, and for those who are pro-hantei, it was still able to amass anti-kaneka plots after that time. I do remember that action now.
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Apr 19, 2012 15:46:51 GMT -5
I don't quite understand why you have such a problem with me posting items that are accumulating space, aren't used | are underused | Haven't been used in a while, in a place that is meant as feedback for the game. No where, have I even come close to being 'forceful' in my mentioning of "hey, I have a lot of these items, I'm sure a lot of people do. Maybe they would work out as costs for future jobs". I've gone out of my way to make SURE that it isn't even close to a demand. And I'm not sure where you read that I had a problem with you posting anything. My point, again, is that most surplus items *could* be used. Not that they should or should not have new actions for them. Jay has put effort into making supply and demand balance out somewhat, but not all of the drop percentages even out. He has access to the database and has in fact used those quantities to determine what items to use for some actions. Feel free to post large lists of items but I suspect he makes decisions based on aggregate quantities rather than individuals. This is veering off-topic however. I think we would all like more opportunities to use items that either have maxed mastery or alternates to action we won't/can't take. I have a ton of Yobanjin trinkets & trophies that I may never use. Why do I have 20 maps to bandit camp(s) and 50 blessings of the elements? I've managed to use up all of my mons with the exception of plentiful Unicorns (mastered long ago). Maybe a short series of actions to create/acquire a Nemuranai that cost bokken (or similar) to unlock, and ancient swords/satsumas/naginatas/no-dachi/longbows/ninja-to to master? I have 10 or more of each of these uncommon items. (I believe Bokken were used in an old Iajitsu action, and I think it may have been limited clicks, which makes it largely irrelevant admittedly.)
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Post by Togashi Homsar on Apr 19, 2012 21:50:23 GMT -5
If wishes were fishes then we'd all be the pope.
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Post by Isawa Okibi on Apr 20, 2012 1:16:43 GMT -5
You'd need a big net Gurney.
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Post by Shoju on Apr 20, 2012 8:07:35 GMT -5
My apologies Okibi, I thought you were the same person who had PM'd me about my list >.>
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Post by Shoju on May 8, 2012 8:24:54 GMT -5
Spider Runs to various Spider places. Even if it was just 1 stop, and not like traveling on horse back. Say..... City of the Lost to Fields of the Dead. That seems like it would be a pretty convenient "travel by taint" type of thruway
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