Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 2, 2011 5:37:07 GMT -5
Today's discussion gave me idea, that getting rid of sworn enemy could exist as hyper-rare random encounter, where sworn enemy would be cost of performing certain action. Yeah I know Jay is very reluctant towards that idea, and I understand that perfectly, but well throwing crazy idea won't do any damage I guess. There you could: - apologize (heavy courtesy requirement, -100 glory +1 honor +25 exp) - "redeem" yourself (heavy etiquette requirement, costs 10 clan favors, glorious and honorable) - poison (heavy stealth requirement, +10 infamy, -10 honor, + 25 exp) - kill (heavy kenjutsu/spellcraft req., +10 glory, -10 honor, + 25 exp) - do nothing (nothing you just miss chance to solve this problem) I like the basics. But -100 Glory for apologizing seems a little much (maybe just -50). The requirement should be maybe just 30 or so for the Courtier and etiquette action, so that players without social characters have at least a chance too. Personally I would liked to have a duel, because the shogun insulted me... He should apologizing for his childish behaviour.
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Kakita Shinji
Crane Clan
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Post by Kakita Shinji on Mar 2, 2011 6:31:41 GMT -5
I like the basics. But -100 Glory for apologizing seems a little much (maybe just -50). The requirement should be maybe just 30 or so for the Courtier and etiquette action, so that players without social characters have at least a chance too. We're talking about extreme, one time action, that can have heavy impact on your character. I'd leave balancing to Jay, but I'd say that -100 may not be enough. Simple action that gives -1 glory, gives -80 if mastered to jade level. So to get rid of huge thing like sworn enemy it could be -200 even. Personally I would liked to have a duel, because the shogun insulted me... He should apologizing for his childish behaviour. He's shogun, his status is higher than yours. If he say's you are to wear skirt and call yourself Marcy, you wear skirt and call yourself Marcy. Just throwing idea that shogun is childish could cost you head. This is ROKUGAN.
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Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 2, 2011 7:31:11 GMT -5
I like the basics. But -100 Glory for apologizing seems a little much (maybe just -50). The requirement should be maybe just 30 or so for the Courtier and etiquette action, so that players without social characters have at least a chance too. We're talking about extreme, one time action, that can have heavy impact on your character. I'd leave balancing to Jay, but I'd say that -100 may not be enough. Simple action that gives -1 glory, gives -80 if mastered to jade level. So to get rid of huge thing like sworn enemy it could be -200 even. My -50 was from a standpoint were you have to click it 10 times to master it (-500 total). So, if it is just one click to complete it I think -100 or even -200 is fine. Personally I would liked to have a duel, because the shogun insulted me... He should apologizing for his childish behaviour. He's shogun, his status is higher than yours. If he say's you are to wear skirt and call yourself Marcy, you wear skirt and call yourself Marcy. Just throwing idea that shogun is childish could cost you head. This is ROKUGAN. Rokugan is also land were people take bloody revenge for insults. A land where you regardless how high your station is you treat others with respect and honour also their position. If he feels offended by my words at court he could have just talked to me, but instead he decided to insult me. I have to be included in a tactical planing, because I lead troops and I want to have a say how my Kakita are deployed, my family expects me that I don't let others say how they have to die. So, with him excluding the daimyo of a great clan family he dishonours the whole family by dismissing the Kakita as not important to help. That actions have consequences goes in both directions. The Shogun tells most of the Empire he don't need their help (because he has quite a few enemies, which a wise man would still keep close to have them not acting against him, but like I said, Kanaka showed that he is not clever). So I really hope that there comes up another mission for folks with him as enemy, where we can destroy his carrier (something courtiers are capable of).
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Kakita Shinji
Crane Clan
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Post by Kakita Shinji on Mar 6, 2011 12:34:47 GMT -5
I haven't mastered curren't Battlefield random events, but I guess it's perfect moment to introduce new ones. L5R handbook of course is a great source. Hold this ground- Battle action (requiring some kind of infantry) - Spellcraft action (requiring Castle of Water?) - Lore action (requiring Tactican soul, or Chui position) it could be named "smart manuver" - (nothing) action "loosing position" with loose of glory of course Protect the general- Battle action - Spellcraft action - "I'll take them out myself" - courage action (requires Daredevil or Overconfident, gives much Exp and glory but takes some of your honor) - (nothing) action "be a pussy" Pick up banner- Agility action to pick up and don't get killed - Intimidation action to pick up and scare enemies - (Nothing) action to be asshole and leave banner Maybe they should also drop some items that may have use in future? "Wound" (you suffered wound in combat) and "Heroic deed" You could then exchange wounds for honorable scars (symbol) and heroic deeds for lower prices and geisha houses
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Mar 7, 2011 2:04:33 GMT -5
I wish for super high level actions. Prestigious things that only a few would be capable of. Like a minimum skill requirement of 100, or a higher level requirement perhaps.
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Kakita Kyoshi
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Post by Kakita Kyoshi on Mar 7, 2011 6:38:19 GMT -5
I wish for super high level actions. Prestigious things that only a few would be capable of. Like a minimum skill requirement of 100, or a higher level requirement perhaps. I think that would not make the casual gamers here happy (for them the 50 some actions have already might seem high). Only because we have players who are level 100+ and can perform many different actions, the game should not to these players (we have already a big advantage). So it should at least not happen for a few month, so that more players have the option to do such high requirement missions.
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Bayushi Senshi
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Mar 7, 2011 13:16:45 GMT -5
My point though is that it would be nice to be able to do something few others could. By the logic you presented me wouldn't you deem your 100+ point victory over Takezo a bad thing for the casual gamers?
I think it would be nice to have some reward for having more then 100 kenjutsu or a level of 110. As of yesterday there were, what, 75 people over a level of 100? I'd hardly say we'd be ruling people out.
Lets face it, in rokugan not everyone is capable of creating a masterpiece of art, or of sailing a ship through a hurricane in one piece with no casualties, or fighting through the yobanjin to make it to the Northwest Plains. Heck, maybe even speaking to the Emperor himself.
It would also give casual gamers something to strive for, i.e., "Wow, my new character goal is to find Kaneka and convince him to be less of a jerk, but hes so thickheaded I need an etiquette of 100." or "I want to slay a hundred men in one night, but I need kenjutsu 150."
To me, its about the prestige of being able to say "I'm one of the few who is cabale of turning the tide of this war." Just as for you its about being able to say that you are the greatest duelist in Rokugan.
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Post by Shoju on Mar 7, 2011 13:25:25 GMT -5
Senshi has a point though. There should be some sort of "End Game" for those who are high enough to participate in it.
It is an issue of sustainability, and would work to make people think about how they want to spend their character points. I have my spellcraft up to 100, and I'm moving back to up other stats now, because at 100, what is there that I need from 102, 104, etc...
I like that Jay and Alison are designing content for everyone to see, but to keep people vested in the game, there will need to be high level content at some point, or people will get bored. Yes, this is an RPG, but there is a game side to it as well, and high level content goes hand in hand with that.
I'm not saying that it should take a WoW approach and the only new content should be end game content, but there should be "some" end game content for those who have the skills to handle it. At one point, I thought Reihado Shinsei (sp?) was that way, but I would imagine that most honorable folks above level 50 who have put in the work have completed that area.
At level 87, my current plan is to get all of my skills to a point where I can go anywhere (base hunting 50), and use the horsemanship and boats (respective skill of 25) without the need to change gear. to accomplish this, I need 25 more hunting skill, and 10 more horsemanship, and sailing, for a total of 45 character points. at 4 character points per level, I need 12 more levels to get this accomplished, which means at level 99, I will be able to use these functions regardless of gear set equipped. From there, unless something is changed, I will be running the rest of my stats up to base 20. (I currently have every skill at base 15 or greater).
By adding new content, geared towards higher end players, we can work towards making the skill ups between now and 100 for me, and from 100+ to where ever, more important to the person. Important decisions are a good part of the process.
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Post by tadakasan on Mar 7, 2011 15:46:07 GMT -5
As a good and bad note to Senshi's idea, as presented it would put generalists like me at quite the disadvantage. I have nothing below 25, nothing above 60. If content suddenly started popping up that needed 100+ in a skill, I'd 99% likely be out of luck on all of them. There's also a disadvantage there for people who choose to put their points into something that doesn't pop up, unless every skill would prove useful; I mean, if you get up to 120 skill in Meditation and none of the "end game" stuff used Meditation, you'd be stuck with what would amount to a lot of wasted skill points. It is kind of the same right now with the Contests (there have been competitions for Art, Horsemanship, Kyujutsu, Battle, and Iaijutsu twice so far, certainly nothing needing Seduction or Lore or etc.)...
But there is a good side to it I think, and it has to do with the exact reasons above; One of the cards Shizu created in her thread (The Kami Overflows) makes fun of this very thing. And that thing is that regardless of school, basically everyone can do everything in the game, taint and infamy and such not withstanding. A samurai can blast the Yobanjin with fire spells just as easily as an Isawa shugenja by spending a couple of points and the right gear. Perhaps the game is ~too~ casual and inclusive in that way; the bonus points for school skills is a nice start of course but as is, there is no incentive to getting more than about 40 or 50 skill in a trait, school or not school, except for the hopes that a contest will come up. Otherwise the least someone has to do to be able to do anything is keep some gear sets and generalize, and suddenly a Hida bushi can have the same spell results as any shugenja in the game (since there is no bonus to having more than you need beyond the point of possible failure with a skill).
Now I understand why it is that way and can't say I haven't enjoyed being able to duel, intimidate, seduce, and shoot my way out of any situation on Tadaka even though he's a shugenja. But part of me also feels like starting school should matter more than it does, and that maybe I shouldn't be able to do that as a shugenja while still being as strong as I need to be casting.
I'm guessing it's too late to go back and change skill requirements for things, and probably not fair to new players, not to mention quite possibly not in the spirit of the game. Still, maybe there could be something besides the challenges (like this suggestion of "end game content") to make classes stand apart, and reward people who specialize.
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Hiruma Koji
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Post by Hiruma Koji on Mar 18, 2011 2:42:21 GMT -5
Is there a way to do a "Guard caravan" action? As in, an action follows you from place to place or such?
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Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Mar 18, 2011 13:14:01 GMT -5
Just thought of this after the page reloaded and my mouse was not over the button it used to be over (In other words I raised the wrong stat). It would be nice if you could minus one of the points that you just spent in an area that you did not mean to spend it in. I do not mean allow you to completely redistribute your character's points I simply mean allowing you to change your decision for the current set of points that you received from a level up.
I am not sure if this is feasible or how much coding it would require, just a thought I had.
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Post by Shoju on Mar 18, 2011 13:22:10 GMT -5
Kazuma,
I moved your post to the wishlist, since it is more of a wishlist item, and doesn't need a whole new thread about it.
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Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Mar 18, 2011 14:01:42 GMT -5
Thank you, I was wondering where it should go.
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Post by tadakasan on Mar 18, 2011 15:36:15 GMT -5
Could be possible. It would be a confirmation sort of thing; You spend the skill points, and they don't lock in until you confirm your spending. Of course that would also mean if you don't confirm that if you navigated away they wouldn't be spent at all. But that would likely be a fine price to pay.
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Shiba Kazuma
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Post by Shiba Kazuma on Mar 18, 2011 18:14:17 GMT -5
That would work as well and probably be a lot easier to code for.
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