Ranks and titles

[agashataeshik]

Greetings all, I am about to broach a topic that will likely be touchy at best, and which may require multiple threads to fully discuss, should we decide to do so.

One of the fun things with a game like this is the development of titles and ranks for each player that the rest of the players agree with. I am looking for people that, in a roleplaying aspect, act out the part of their title. This includes finding a player to play the Emperor, each clan and family daimyo, and other such titles. While the Clan Champion for each clan is clearly defined by the system, the Clan Champion is not neccessarily, or even likely, to be the Clan Daimyo ( though a certain minimum Glory and Honor may be a requisite).

As anyone who has looked under the Honor Group under Champions will see, I titled myself as Jade Champion long ago, and intend to roleplay that position. But i would also like an Emperor to serve, not to mention other allies to consort with.

Admittedly, clan and family titles should be handled under each of our clans private forums, but Emperor, Empress, Emerald Champion, Shogun, Voice, Chancellor, Advisor, Herald, etc are a bit more global/Imperial...

Thoughts?

[Hida Setsuro]

I think I would have to step in and say that Jade Champion is not something you can title yourself. I just had a conversation with Jay about titles, and he and I both felt something necessary.

Clan Champion titles are basically going to the top of the glory charts taking into account the active forum users. Jade Champion, as I understand, will go to the most glorious person. As of this post, that is David Winner, Aka Doji Yoshi.

As for things like Emperor and Empress..I believe that those titles would be reserved for Jay and Alison. Also, the Clan Champion is almost always the Clan Daimyo. I can not recall an instance where this is not true in the RPG. Jay has already told me he wants to stay true to the spirit of the game wherever possible.

I'm sorry to uh, burst your bubble, Taeshik. Jade Champion is a pretty hefty title. I'm sure you could find a title appropriate for you.

I'm happy to answer any other questions, though.

[agashataeshik]

Wasnt asking for what you feel should be official, was talking to my fellow roleplayers. And jade champion wouldnt go to the most glorious, it would go to the most powerful shugenja, most likely in the Phoenix Clan. You must be thinking of the Emerald Champion.

Anyhows, you are no obligated to join the roleplaying groupish that i am trying to build, and in my world ( the imaginary roleplaying world that my character is a part of) i will remain as the Jade Champion. And if at some point a game mechanic is made to select the jade champion, i will do my best to become the jade champion in your world as well.

PS if you really wanted to keep as close to the core as possible, we wouldnt all be training and gaining techniques from various clans. Generally speaking, the whole idea of a game like this is that we each are the primary protagonist in our own imaginary playoff of the game. The idea of merging each others imaginary worlds into a single one is a player driven thing. I wasnt asking permission. Howefer, i do agree that Jay and Allison should be Emperor and Empress, if only we knew which characters those were....

[agashataeshik]

Btw, if you really wanted to go official, and assuming that the mechanics are correct since all the training for magic gives more honor than glory, the most honorable phoenix would be jade champion. Youre welcome to check who that might be... And he has a spellcraft skill of over 200...

[Hida Setsuro]

All I'm saying is that I was conveying the wishes/ideas of the game developer.

You're coming off a little strong and rude, but it's okay. Just try to remember that this is the Imperial Court and as such, everyone has to remember that no hostilities should be present here. It would offend the Emperor!

I like that you posted your ideas for Jade Champion in another thread. Something I very much like!

[agashataeshik]

If i come off as strong and rude, my apologies, being told to "find a title appropriate to you" was ruder. If there was a more apprpriate person for the role, i would be happy to take on the role of a Elemental Master for my clan. just not thinking theres a more appropriate person to be Jade Champion.

[Hida Setsuro]

As I said, I'm simply trying to convey the wishes of the people who created this game and it is at their expense you play it. They're doing everything out of their own pocket for no cash, as I have with this forum. I don't ask for your respect, but if you don't respect Jay and Alison, you will find me very disagreeable.

That said, I believe you when you say you're not trying to be rude. This really is a heated topic of discussion, as you mentioned in the other thread, and there will be plenty of people who want this title. In a big game like this, it's almost hard not to.

[agashataeshik]

Jay knows i wont disrespect him, he and i go back a way, i am the guy that bought him Allison in v1, endured verbal harassment for it but remained pleasant to him, and even found a good home for him in the crane family with someone that would keep his value high, teaching him the manner of the game and allowing for him from being just a player to a top pl ayer of the game with an immense dynasty. But just as he joined a dynasty with an emerald champion, daimyo, etc, all without Bongs writing mechanics for it, i am trying tp dp similarly here. Theres no disrespect in that, thats just roleplaying.

[Hida Setsuro]

That's good. I'm happy to hear it. I really admire and respect Jay and Alison for what they've done with the game.

Carry on then! I think we were actually all trying to stay in the same universe here, which is what makes multiple people claiming the same title so rough. I know that my intention (at least with this forum and making it) was to give everyone a place to RP in the same world.

[agashataeshik]

As always, when multiple people want the same title, things can be worked out. There are so many positions that i am thinking we will have more positions than people to fill them who also are interested in filling them. I mean, in clan alone there are a minimum of 4 positions of Daimyo for each major clan, and in some, like phoenix, with elemental masters, even more than that.

I dont think we need game mechanics to achieve a complete RP enviro with everyone having a thematic position that theyre happy with. I really think we can decide t hese things ourselves with everyone being easily made happy with a position, usually without contest.

[Hida Setsuro]

I think you're quite right, Taeshik. I don't think we necessarily need mechanics help to solve the issue. It might be nice to see the players work out who should be Jade Champion. Maybe I should start nominations for it and then set up a poll so that everyone has a say. Would that be a good idea?

[agashataeshik]

Sure, but no rush, i think talking a bit about it and seeing what sort of interest theree is, how many players etc, before we solidify is a good idea. If 4 people are interested, no need to do much of anythig.

[Bayushi Senshi]

I agree with the choice to put it to a poll. And on closer analysis of this thread I have determined that no one was in fact being rude, you two seem quite pleasant in a debate.

[alison]

From a developer perspective, since this is a board about the Emerald Empire game, I would strongly prefer to limit titles people are claiming on the boards to those already in Emerald Empire.

[agashataeshik]

Again, hopefully this time without uptting anyone, let me try to explain because i am obviously doing a poor job of it. You remember the Q Dynasty on v1? Emperor of the Q Dynasty, Emerald champion tietle in Chris Bigelow? Jade Champion played by David Joiner? Nobody had to ok it, or seek permission, it was just some of us guys who decided to roleplay our ranks.

While it would be great if the developers coded a system in that allowed us a title, thats not needed. If a bunch of us decide to play our way with our titles that dont match developed titles, you not only cant do anything about it (short of deleting our characters), bout wouldnt necessarily even know about it, and it would still exist. Its roleplaying. I could be level 1, and roleplay with others are in my solo imagination that i am the emperor. If i play with 10 other people, and they roleplay that i am the emperor too, its our imagination in our game. I can put Emperor of the Isawa Dynasty in my title, and who would know or care?

Point being, nobody is actually looking for developer approval, nor disrespecting the same developers. I, and hopefully others, are just looking to flush out our game further without the need of developers to adapt to those needs.

Ie, in my story, my jade champion of a character began by studying wih the Seppun family ( literally started there as soon as i had the skills to get there at 3rd level), then went over to the Miya courts to become sanctioned for mapping. Only then did i do missions in other areas in an effort to map the game, encountering Maho wizardry in the City of Tears ( first place i got jade mastery in actions), and getting promoted by the emperor to battle the maho. I then went (emerald mastery) and gathered an army from all over, while studying for my crystal katana to mark myself as a maho hunter. As i returned to the imperial city per the emperors request and he saw that i led an army of people from all over, from all of the clans, he titled me as Jade Champion. I continued to hunt Maho, but paused for a rather failed attempt to participate in the topaz championship ( although i got triple digit scoring in nearly every event, i never placed in any of them), only to stop and join the fight in the unicorn lands (mastering ALL of the actions there).

See? All that story, and none of it being nose led by the developers. Thats my imagination, and now i hope to flush it out further by finding like minded roleplayers to join my storyline, possibly adapting my storyline to fit theirs (including retitling should someone elsse be jade champ)