Kikatsu
Spider Clan
Spider Clan * Monk * Kensei * Yellow Hunger
Posts: 41
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Post by Kikatsu on Aug 9, 2011 10:39:35 GMT -5
I understand, I'm back to farming slander or flattery..... Thank god I think my choice is slander based this time. I don't know if I could farm more flattery and keep my sanity. Right there with you.
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 9, 2011 10:45:45 GMT -5
Sorta my thoughts on scouting reports since I just blew all of them, but the actions requiring rumors do not appeal what-so-ever.
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Post by Shoju on Aug 9, 2011 10:47:11 GMT -5
I understand, I'm back to farming slander or flattery..... Thank god I think my choice is slander based this time. I don't know if I could farm more flattery and keep my sanity. Right there with you. Curious if our goals are the same. I'm doubting that many will choose my path.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 9, 2011 11:41:19 GMT -5
For the record, I personally think the tamori jobs are fantastic. Great flair. Great flavor. The problem is three fold: 1.) Currently Riddles are a high fate / low return item. 2.) There is no where nearby to get riddles. 3.) They weren't falling off trees before this event took place, and I would assume most noble players spent them on plague research. The Temple of Osano-Wo near the Scorpion Clan territory is a decent place to farm Riddles. If you do the garden action, it drops riddles rather nicely. You just have to be willing to shed glory for it. shoju[sorry for modding your post there for a second. That's what I get for not paying attention to the admin buttons.....]
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Post by Shoju on Aug 9, 2011 11:44:37 GMT -5
For the record, I personally think the tamori jobs are fantastic. Great flair. Great flavor. The problem is three fold: 1.) Currently Riddles are a high fate / low return item. 2.) There is no where nearby to get riddles. 3.) They weren't falling off trees before this event took place, and I would assume most noble players spent them on plague research. The Temple of Osano-Wo near the Scorpion Clan territory is a decent place to farm Riddles. If you do the garden action, it drops riddles rather nicely. You just have to be willing to shed glory for it. Right, it's 2 clan territories away and not open to everyone (taint restriction). Not that it matters much to me, I don't plan on having much time to deal with the tamori votes, even though I would love to.
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Akodo Keisuke
Lion Clan Mod
Lion Clan Regent ?Samurai ?Daimyo ?First Among Generals ?Tactician ?Commander ?Loyal
Posts: 704
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Aug 9, 2011 12:31:59 GMT -5
I am pleased with the fact that, it is a nearly a 1:1 exchange rate for each "Scouting Report" spent, I receive a "Battle Plans".
So far only 2 clicks offered nothing, and 1 click was given a "Difference of Opinion".
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Post by Shoju on Aug 9, 2011 12:46:59 GMT -5
A thought just occured to me. There was a cotingency of spider doing a hefty amount of voting in Toshi Ranbo. Now that we have been expelled and executed I know my personal desire to be involved in the hantei voting has dwindled. I wonder how lopsided votes will look now that riddles are needed as opposed to the easier scouting reports / battle plans, and several spider just.... not bothering to be a part of it. EDIT: I'm referring to: Should Hantei/Toturi's forces march immediately on the enemy, or gather strength first?Side | For Immediate March | For Gathering Strength | Toturi | 2956 (41%) | 4099 (58%) | Hantei | 2416 (38%) | 3919 (61%) |
Where we saw that Toturi has a Slight Edge in number of votes, but it was presumably close. I'm curious how much of an impact that some of the spider not showing up in further votes will have on things.
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Yogo Tetsuro
Scorpion Clan
*Scorpion clan Shugenja*
Posts: 5
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Post by Yogo Tetsuro on Aug 9, 2011 12:55:26 GMT -5
Riddles certainly have some dragon flavor... Warning to Tainted mofos like me, the spider job counceling war gives Anti-Crab plot. If you're a Tainted crab like me, think about it.... Got the first few on sheer surprise... I'm tainted but the wall is MY wall. What does anti-X plot do? I have some anti-Lion plot knocking about. K
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 9, 2011 13:12:00 GMT -5
Nothing yet, but there is one for all clans save Minor and Unicorn. I'll bet it will have something to do with the war.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 9, 2011 13:19:19 GMT -5
Wait, so were the Spider supporters blocked from any further voting? I would think that it just means their great clan status demand was rejected, not that they were actively banished from voting one way or the other.
The question is is can the Spider still do what a normal samurai can do: put aside their disappointment with the results that worked against them and work for the greater good of the empire even though there is no apparent reward for doing the right thing.
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Post by Shoju on Aug 9, 2011 13:48:04 GMT -5
Wait, so were the Spider supporters blocked from any further voting? No, we weren't blocked, but we now have our own series of votes to take care of, and there are more than a few of us who look at the order for execution and say: "Fine. Fight the war yourself." I would think that it just means their great clan status demand was rejected, not that they were actively banished from voting one way or the other. Some of us aren't happy at the way things were phrased, planned, and implemented. We feel we were set up to fail from the beginning. I have talked with a few spider who, like myself, now have a waning interest in moving forward with the hantei camp. While we understand that RP doesn't reflect the game and that we shouldn't expect it to, what took place in the game was not at all what we (the players) were striving for. - We never mentioned anywhere public, private, or in PM to Jay a demand of legitimization prior to defending our chosen emperor. It was always referred to as a reward for showing our loyalty to empire, awarded after the civil war.
- We never had a chance to formalize an opinion on where to send our envoy. We on the boards had for the majority vocalized support for Hantei, with only a few dissenting. Our votes were split before we even had a chance to pull together the opinions of those spider who are not part of the boards.
These two points have left myself and a few others (I don't want to speak for too many people here) rather disillusioned with the civil war. Again, I understand that RP and players have no bearing on things, but it really felt against what we had put a lot of effort into in a short period of time to get a movement going. The question is is can the Spider still do what a normal samurai can do: put aside their disappointment with the results that worked against them and work for the greater good of the empire even though there is no apparent reward for doing the right thing. After ordering the execution of our envoy who was there on purely diplomatic principles, looking to ally with the empire instead of striking a deadly blow as a third faction in this brewing civil war, you expect us to put aside our disappointment and keep moving forward? That would be asking an awful lot of any samurai, let alone a group of people who have been marked for death by the great clans while trying to act in good faith.
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Toku Hirotomo
Monkey Clan
Bushi Paragon of Compassion Clan Champion Toturi's Army
Posts: 793
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Aug 9, 2011 13:49:25 GMT -5
They ARE Spider. Most of the original Bloodspeakers and Lost became so due to the fact they they rebuffed what all samurai take as life. Besides, it's a matter of fate vs payoff as well. Why waste actions supporting those that just said to hell with you when they have votes of their own to do?
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Aug 9, 2011 14:08:53 GMT -5
Shoju, I didn't vote to kill or not to kill a Spider envoy (maybe because I was missing items needed to finish it ). So... as a mother of all Spiders... hmm - I will think of something later JAY, this is INSANE with those freakin' riddles! It will take ages to get them for all those missions... especially to get all (probably?) items that may drop... by 10. Give Hantei's side at least ONE job that reqires something that is easy to get. Toturi's side got it really... easy! Rumors drop like snowflakes on winter... *sulks* P.S. Yes, I am complaining! *stomps* I want it easy! NOW! *sobs* No one loves me... my mom made such a great lunch for me... and all I can do is to give it back... same as my breakfast... My life sucks... And they've said that only 9 weeks could be a pain... But noooo... my 9 weeks were easy and comfy... after that hell on earth started... Jaaaaaay! Make it happen... *whines* I want a beer...
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
Posts: 783
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 9, 2011 14:55:23 GMT -5
They ARE Spider. Most of the original Bloodspeakers and Lost became so due to the fact they they rebuffed what all samurai take as life. Besides, it's a matter of fate vs payoff as well. Why waste actions supporting those that just said to hell with you when they have votes of their own to do? Guess I'm just a bit of an odd duck then. ;D EDIT: Okay, a LOT of an odd duck
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Utaku Mai
Unicorn Clan
*Battle Maiden* *Paragon of Honor* *Goddamn Rockstar*
Posts: 484
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Post by Utaku Mai on Aug 9, 2011 15:17:46 GMT -5
Admittedly, if given the choice between simply rejecting the Spider's claim or rejecting the claim and executing them, I would have chosen the former. How that went down was a little unfair, but the other options were limited. I could have abstained from voting altogether but that would have risked the legitimacy faction winning out.
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