Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Aug 10, 2011 10:22:28 GMT -5
We extend our hand in peace and cooperation, and the samurai of the Empire savagely murder our envoys. What sort of men slaughter unarmed emissaries who come under a flag of truce?
We can not allow this affront to all civilized society to stand. We offered our friendship, and the Empire rejected us in the most disgusting way possible. Now they will see what it means to be our enemy.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Aug 10, 2011 12:22:25 GMT -5
...The envoys committed Seppuku, not really savage murder.
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Aug 10, 2011 12:26:19 GMT -5
If that's the story you want to tell, be my guest.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Aug 10, 2011 12:30:10 GMT -5
...Since I was standing right there, helping the Hantei envoy do it, not really a story at all. In fact, I believe there were many Samurai who ended up witnessing the act.
...Now, if you wanted to make the claim that the envoy was forced into it you might have grounds, however the Emperor can ask any Samurai in Rokugan to commit Seppuku and it would be his right. A far cry from savage murder.
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Aug 10, 2011 12:37:19 GMT -5
Haven't you ever seen someone repeat a lie to the common people over and over again to justify what they're doing?
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Aug 10, 2011 13:07:49 GMT -5
...So Jay's making actions in game that are really lies now? That's a pretty bold claim to make.
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Aug 10, 2011 13:11:25 GMT -5
Do you always take things so seriously? It was just a bit of fun.
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Shosuro Aroru
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan Ninja * Duelist
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Post by Shosuro Aroru on Aug 10, 2011 13:14:39 GMT -5
...No, I responded in kind with my first reply. However, this is a non-rp forum and I find it amusing when people will actively try to argue with what the actions in the game make happen. Especially when they do so by calling me a liar.
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Daigotsu Thrakhath
Spider Clan
Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken
Posts: 600
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Post by Daigotsu Thrakhath on Aug 10, 2011 13:17:11 GMT -5
Well you are a Scorpion, after all.
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Post by Shoju on Aug 10, 2011 13:31:34 GMT -5
mod hat on
Aroru Lets calm down and not take things so seriously. It was obvious what Thrakhath was saying, and that it was half hearted IC fun. You know this type of posting happens here, and that as long as people aren't getting to terrible, we are letting it go because it encourages interaction, it encourages people to come around more, and it's all for fun Jumping from what he said as a half hearted in character post to accusing him of calling Jay's actions lies is a pretty large step.
Thrak Lets not poke him any more please. I don't want to lock the thread. I don't want to have to tell people that they can't have half - ic / not really rp but sort of / type responses in news section, and if this exchange gets any testier, that is sadly where we are going to end up soon.
Please and thank you to both, with sugar coated sprinkles and cherries on top.
Mod Hat off
There is a case to be made for both points, since the action that won called for execution, and the resulting action was seppuku. I have personally RP'd it that the Spider were run out of town and our courtier was executed, because that is what the action that won called for. EXECUTION
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 10, 2011 13:36:34 GMT -5
Ok, so Chuda Sprinkles comes sugar coated now?! And who's the Cherries fellow? =)
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Post by Shoju on Aug 10, 2011 13:37:06 GMT -5
Me. I'm a big giant taint dipped cherry
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 10, 2011 13:43:58 GMT -5
I'm leaving foul perverted thoughts out of this from your prior comment. =P
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 10, 2011 13:48:10 GMT -5
Funny thing is, I do think that Thrak and Aroru's argument above might have been perfectly fit for a RP, considering the points used by both.
And Shoju-san, I have to agree with Aroru-san's arguments, seppuku is not execution nor murder. It may have been the name of the action "in game" but it was not what happened. An act of extreme contrition is to be expected if an envoy comes to court to make an unjustified claim to an honor they don't have. And is well within the Emperor's right to ask any of his subjects to commit seppuku, in case they commit dishonor and don't take the initiative themselves.
Now, as I see it, considering the gravity of the situation, they went to court knowing full well what the consequences might be in case their plea was denied. That's more so if you consider the fact that many of your associates bear the Jigoku's taint.
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Post by Shoju on Aug 10, 2011 13:53:55 GMT -5
Well, to an extent you have a point, sure. The resulting action was seppuku. But, I can still contend that the argument was for execution, and its a case of semantics at best, a long winded argument about the actions not representing the desires of the playerbase they were meant to represent at worst. You also have to consider that Aroru and Thrak will have differing opinions because they were on different ends of the deal, and as such have wildly differing perspectives of what happened.
Perspective is a huge deal when you are talking about something that ends in the death of someone.
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