Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 19, 2011 8:09:17 GMT -5
Given the choice, whether to rule a corrupt and failing empire; or to challenge the fates for another throw - a better throw - against one's destiny... what was a king to do? But does one even truly have a choice? One can only match, move by move, the machinations of fate... and thus defy the tyrannous stars. (Kain, in the last Legacy of Kain) Many kudos for posting that, LoK series really rocks. Although, due to the differences in context, I could use variations of the argument for both sides. After all, Kain is a visionary who literally destroys the world in hopes that his gamble on an ancient prophecy will pay off, through the introduction of Raziel in the gameboard, and enable him to try and change destiny itself. Here we have two factions of samurai, both who swore to follow bushido, fighting against one another while a bigger threat, to which very few are paying attention, threatens to swallow them all. Solely because one of the sides doesn't agree with the Emperor's rulings. As I see it, if you are a samurai, that is, sworn to serve your liege, what would you do if said liege ruled in a way that displeased you? Would you try to counsel him and steer his course to a path that you judge honorable? Would you try to understand his reasons (after all, he may be seeing a bigger picture than you)? or would you put a sword at his throat and declare yourself lord in his place, all the while swearing to do better? Those are tricky questions but, in the light of Bushido, I think the answer is very clear. EDIT: And again, I must say I agree with Yukihime. She pretty much speaks my mind in this matter.
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Aug 19, 2011 11:42:21 GMT -5
Alright. The great Senshi has come down from on high and listened to your arguments. Time for me to do some ooc explaining of what the scorpion situation is.
Neutrality has been a conscious choice. We have argued and debated what side to be on for many weeks. So we decided to look at our options, and prioritize our agenda. I'm not telling you what that agenda is. But we decided the best solution for this agenda was to actively remain neutral. And when the Toturi side needs to win by clicking over 1000 times, thats easy to do.
And, unfortunate as it is, we cannot really remain true neutral. I already have members of my clan posting about killing Lion samurai at Toshi Ranbo. BTW Thank you Hiromitsu for giving me a very awkward conversation with Akodo Tomatsu. I really wanted to deal with that. My point is this: Even if we choose a side, or even if we remain neutral, I don't think it'll change any real outcome in this war other than choices of actions. My Hantei people are devoted to fighting anyway, my Toturi people are devoted to fighting anyway. Nothing prevents that.
To those of you who doubt the caliber of the Scorpion, know that we do have great plans and machinations afoot. There was a Crane here, Yukihime, I believe who pointed out a few things the scorpion could accomplish by remaining neutral. Her mind is in the right place.
If anything, what we scorpion want is a conclusion to the vote. Not a winner. We think we've had ample enough time to say the Scorpion Champion is not picking sides, but looking to other threats, and to the glory of the Scorpion. The Toturi side has only been able to achieve half of the margin required. Lets end the vote now and call it an official tie. Neutral is our path. Its what we wanted to do.
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on Aug 19, 2011 11:49:14 GMT -5
I guess one of the court attendants would say to me right now: "By the Fortunes! Such a scandalous display!" ^_^; My bad! (thank you manji-san)
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Post by Shoju on Aug 19, 2011 11:50:30 GMT -5
Let me just say Senshi-san, from one schemer to another,
I find your scheming to get in the way of my scheming.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 19, 2011 11:54:12 GMT -5
(Extremely OOC: Yes, the Scorpion is still the Scorpion... I kinda like them like this ) And behold my astrology divination skills ^_- This thread is kinda going out of the original purpose, isn't it? This mix of IC and OOC is... weirdo o.o
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
Scorpion Clan * Clan Champion * Samurai * Kensai * Experienced * Loyal * Unique
Posts: 1,891
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Aug 19, 2011 11:54:56 GMT -5
*grins and twiddles fingers*
I already bested you in gaining recognition, care to take me on outside of court again?
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Post by Shoju on Aug 19, 2011 12:07:06 GMT -5
What if I told you we were prepared for that? What if I told you that our plans have a very long end game to them? What if I told you that the next time we meet, your assault on the peaceful diplomatic envoy will have more dire consequences?
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on Aug 19, 2011 12:13:10 GMT -5
But... you won't tell none of those things... right Shoju-san?
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Post by Shoju on Aug 19, 2011 12:15:21 GMT -5
Hehe, I will tell you that I have a pair of very specific plans based on the outcome of the Civil War, and that I'm in the middle of the contingency plan for getting voted to die.
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Aug 19, 2011 13:14:33 GMT -5
Senshi, Shoju... BEHAVE! Or I will stop giving you cookies! *sulks* No fighting in this sandbox
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 19, 2011 23:02:35 GMT -5
Yeah, wait. I thought all those cookies were for me?!
Don't worry Shoju, we won't forget about you during the war. Honest.
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Post by sprinkles on Aug 19, 2011 23:41:37 GMT -5
The Dark Oracle of Sugar has Tainted cookies for all.
I agree that it doesn't matter if the Scorpion take a side or not.
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Post by Isawa Goro on Aug 19, 2011 23:53:56 GMT -5
"My Hantei people are devoted to fighting anyway, my Toturi people are devoted to fighting anyway. Nothing prevents that."
So a Champion who cannot control his Clan? Interesting.
"We think we've had ample enough time to say the Scorpion Champion is not picking sides"
Really? I seem to remember you declaring for Toturi when this all began.
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Post by Isawa Goro on Aug 19, 2011 23:56:09 GMT -5
"As a player I'm sooooo hoping for something to happen on the middle of the war to make all those samurais fighting against each other to fight besides each other against something "eviler" (I know the game is much more about clan vs clan, but it is not my favorite approach ) just dreaming about." Ugh, I got kind of sick of those "the Clans fight over petty crap that doesn't matter, but then unite against a TERRiBLE EVILE FOE OF EVILZ" storylines at the end of Clan War, myself. If the game's supposed to be about conflict between Clans it makes sense for the people advocating inter-Clan conflict not to always be undermining the Empire.
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Agasha Shodai
Phoenix Clan Mod
Phoenix Clan * The Void Master * Tensai * Taisa * Enlightened * Paragon of Compassion * Unique
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Post by Agasha Shodai on Aug 20, 2011 2:32:09 GMT -5
Goro-san, it's a good thing you married into the Phoenix; I think all those Ikoma bard stories you grew up learning have started rotting your brain... ;D
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