Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 6:22:45 GMT -5
"As a player I'm sooooo hoping for something to happen on the middle of the war to make all those samurais fighting against each other to fight besides each other against something "eviler" (I know the game is much more about clan vs clan, but it is not my favorite approach ) just dreaming about." Ugh, I got kind of sick of those "the Clans fight over petty crap that doesn't matter, but then unite against a TERRiBLE EVILE FOE OF EVILZ" storylines at the end of Clan War, myself. If the game's supposed to be about conflict between Clans it makes sense for the people advocating inter-Clan conflict not to always be undermining the Empire. Differente game experiences, of course we haven't played the same games . I don't mind playing whatever comes. But the nonsense of a few things kinda "bothers" me. Like... why doesn't this war end up whit the rise of 2 different empires? One ruled by Kaneka and other ruled by Hantei? If none of them gets killed during the war is a reasonable outcome but will probably "mess up" the setting. What I mean, it's hard to keep an empire/country/whatever united if there is no one fighting for union By now, with Sezaru, Phoenix could like declare some independence like stuff, for instance, and no warm would be done to the celestial order (kinda). I agree, the rise of some "terrible evil foe" out of the blue, that no one knew about previously can also be very annoying, specially if it keeps happening everytime (but I never played this kinda of thing myself ) Anyway, I don't mind, it's just what I would prefer anyway.
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 20, 2011 6:43:57 GMT -5
Senshi, Shoju... BEHAVE! Or I will stop giving you cookies! *sulks* No fighting in this sandbox Very ooc: This reminded me instantly of Austin Powers. "Oh, Behave!" On another note, it's nice to see the Scorpion followed the interesting route I was betting on and I'm looking forward to see where this will lead us. Personally, I have a lot of sympathy for the Scorpion, so, good luck guys. As for the Scorpion Champion not being able to control his Clan, well, I think we have two different realms here, the RP and the game itself. I see no harm done in letting the players act as they please in the game while RPing neutrality. As long as they heed the Champion when needed, they should have free rein over their actions. And I wouldn't think Senshi-san is a paper Champion, so, I don't doubt his power of uniting his Clan on the things that matter. I'm, again, of a mind with Yukihime-san about matters (yeah, that's not news anymore. We probably attended a similar shugenja school since we share a way to look at things). As for the "evil foe who unites the Empire" thing, although it is a *very* recurring theme in L5R, I've never played L5R much, so... might as well do it once. It would be interesting to watch the realm split, the war intensify and the Big Bad Evil Antagonist win an interesting victory for a change though? yup, it would. But, this being Rokugan, I kinda doubt it.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 7:33:22 GMT -5
I kinda like the Scorpion too (probably second clan of choice, if playing after 1169 ) As the way I understand the clan its kinda natural for it to have a few variable lines of command. People may diverge on what is better for the clan, then while being loyal to the clan (and clan is usually above champion) they may not be loyal to the champion (specially if champion have his own interests above the clan,power corrupts ... I'm not saying this is the case...) I do play a lot of tabletop. L5R and everything else. And I haven't had enough (or any) of the happy ending with a party, cake, fun and this kinda of stuff (too many sanguinary and killer players on my table probably) that... >.o well, that got me thinking but there is nothing to do with the topic here so... never mind. I'm, again, of a mind with Yukihime-san about matters (yeah, that's not news anymore. We probably attended a similar shugenja school since we share a way to look at things). Yes, that makes sense... I felt you were kinda familiar Propably saw you around the dojo in earlier times. May be we had met same fox-kin too
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Tamori Manji
Dragon Clan Mod
Demon Fox (妖狐)
?Dragon Clan ?Hatamoto ?Fire ?Void ?Yamabushi ?Tattoed ?Nonhuman
Posts: 922
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Post by Tamori Manji on Aug 20, 2011 7:46:13 GMT -5
As the way I understand the clan its kinda natural for it to have a few variable lines of command. People may diverge on what is better for the clan, then while being loyal to the clan (and clan is usually above champion) they may not be loyal to the champion (specially if champion have his own interests above the clan,power corrupts ... I'm not saying this is the case...) I agree. But, not being able to represent his Clan, or at least its majority, would surely be a serious blow to a Champion's credibility. If I'm not mistaken, Takezo-san even abdicated of his position as the Dragon Champion after his Clan opted for the Emperor, instead of the Shogun, leading his own followers to support Kaneka. Completely OOC again: You play L5R P&P? Cool, I started to play it once but that group unfortunately disbanded. I've played a lot of WoD (especially Mage and Werewolf), some Shadowrun, some GURPS and some D&D (tried it's 4th ed too but I found it awful and never managed to play D&D again after that). Me and my friends are all too busy with university stuff lately though and most of us haven't played anything in the last six months.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 8:07:17 GMT -5
You have to come join my group we are just a few hundred km away lol I'm also not a fan of D&D 4rd. I like the 3.5 and Pathfinder better. But L5R is totally my top game right now, very nice shaped rules. Things on the forum will sure be a few steps away from what they would be in a table top game and even further from an ideal setting. It's not like Senshi, or any daimyou, has a real real power to "kill" any other character if he is not obeyed. Not sure if a daimyou here can even throw someone away from her clan into a Ronin (is it possible?) without the character's player agreement. I'm kinda lucky my clan seems to be working in a nice and cooperative mood right now (even giving changes for enemies to play they role against us... let's see what happens I'm hoping for some twists, I like unpredictable storylines ) Yap, college can be a burden... I manage to research about RPG so I'm "free" to play a lot. We are totally going out of topic here again...
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Post by Bayushi Hiromitsu on Aug 20, 2011 8:42:06 GMT -5
Off topic: o.o I totally like the way this tread got rocket-crazy off-topic!!! On Topic: I agree with Asahina Yukihime-san and with Kitsune Manji-san too to all the topic related stuff so far We are neutral, besides our Champion's Wishes. LOL
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Post by Soshi Kiso on Aug 20, 2011 8:53:17 GMT -5
As for credibility, 55% of the clan did go the way the champion wished originally. So no worries there.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 9:02:20 GMT -5
Not enough to make it through yet
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Bayushi Senshi
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Senshi on Aug 20, 2011 10:54:28 GMT -5
And nevermind the fact that all information I gave was OOC. I'm looking at YOU Goro. This is a conversation about offering a solution to the scorpion problem. I'm just saying there is no problem. And to any who doubt my power. Guess again. I've had people commit seppuku just by looking at them funny. I have been able to organize nearly every vote in my clan's favor, losing only two: Winter Court location and Three Sides River. (Yes neutrality is a victory) We want to be neutral. And if you really want to talk about how loyal my clan is to me, I can ask for the seppuku of a handful of them right now just to prove a point and they would do it. How many of your clansmen would do that.
:3 All this leads to one thing, we don't need a solution. Neutrality is a choice.
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Aug 20, 2011 10:58:36 GMT -5
The Dragon have only lost one vote that mattered to us...
Hime has only lost one that mattered to her...
They weren't on the same issue...
Good luck being neutral little stingers! I mean... Scorpions ^_^
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 11:36:20 GMT -5
Well, not sure if it was with me but...hope no one minds, here I go. (rainy day outside, good time to keep posting ;D ) This is OOC thread I supposed (it is? crazy stuff happened to my char before...I'm talking OOC anyway). So I hope we are talking in a friendly mood o.o at least, It's what I hope to be doing (not looking for a sworn enemy yet ). And to any who doubt my power. Guess again. I've had people commit seppuku just by looking at them funny. Now to the topic If you are really with all those leashes in hands, well, good for you, good for your cla (or not, I can't possibly know) And if you really want to talk about how loyal my clan is to me, I can ask for the seppuku of a handful of them right now just to prove a point and they would do it. How many of your clansmen would do that. Again, its good for the RP if you really can do it. As, I don't think it would be nice to the other players, I won't dare you, double dare you or something like that I'm not sure how many of mine would do it. But I wouldn't request them to sepukku if they didn't anything wrong just to prof anything. I really don't think anyone would sepukku a high-lvl character, at the clicking game, just becouse you want then to do o.o And , to my understanding, sepukku-ing only in the foruns is like "half-sepukku" as the story line is guided by the clicking game and stuff like daimyou position is supported by the clicking game. (If I got it all right) But, I'm too new around to be sure on how things work here. What I feel right now is there are too many people playing the bosses and not much willing to just follow the orders, not only at the Scorpion, nearly everywhere. In the Crane a lot of ppl that are holding titles doesn't fells like RPing right now, but they won't let the positions go too. Well, it's also complicated. Not sure on other clans issues, hope they are 100% "happy" but it's unlikely. Its a (mine) general analysis from my point of view. I would like to play with the other clans too (not just vs) may be because I have more fun making friends than killing foes But preferences varies.
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Bayushi Haruka
Scorpion Clan
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Post by Bayushi Haruka on Aug 20, 2011 11:44:26 GMT -5
If Senshi-sama so wished it, I will fall on my blade.
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Asahina Yukihime
Crane Clan
Crane Clan Ikazuchi
* Air * Water * Shugenja * Artisan * Asahina Family Daimyo *
Posts: 750
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Post by Asahina Yukihime on Aug 20, 2011 11:53:33 GMT -5
All right... Nothing else to add on this matter. o.o
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Kitsuki Yuushahime
Dragon Clan
This person sometimes posts things that are tl;dr
Courtier Magistrate Ambassador Daimyo
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Post by Kitsuki Yuushahime on Aug 20, 2011 12:08:10 GMT -5
*Pats Yukihime* I get what you're saying. Don't worry, Senshi isn't going to order anyone to seppuku and you're right that the reality is, whether or not our glory supports our position - there is nothing that can be done to force those with less glory to do anything or seppuku. I think Senshi is merely pointing to the fact that his Clan, at least the forum going part, is quite loyal and that's nice for him. The "bosses" do follow the general orders though. I think for the most part that we're willing to swap our positions with people too - for plot reasons or because of higher glory or whatever. We're not power mad old fogeys Anyhow, you're right too - it's better to get along and have fun. The bit about daimyo and what not can be ignored really if you just want to play an everday retainer. Hell, we all have NPCs we play too. Just start an RP and specify "nobody too high ranking. Those who are, please use an NPC!". Then you won't have to worry about the situation of someone showing up and dominating things. Oh and even if you're a Crane and Yuushahime is technically on the wrong side, to feel free to visit the Kitsuki courts at anytime ^_^ This is all off topic of course. Back to the Scorpion thing... erm... yay stealth?
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Post by kentaro on Aug 20, 2011 12:10:33 GMT -5
Hell, I've seppuku'd characters on forum and in-game because that's where the story lead. I was playing a character with very limited options, and he got boxed in by a game decision.
As to the civil war, I LOVE it. Much more fun than simply warring on outsiders (Yobanjin, Shadowlands, etc.) I wonder how many will be willing to follow the failed Emperor (whichever it may be) into death. Probably few.
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