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Post by kentaro on Oct 5, 2011 7:13:06 GMT -5
Not trying to drag things on, but Ryumon, although blunt, is correct in this case. We would all be better off if we avoided the empty boasts (accusations or whatever) and threads with provocations about what no one can be sure. As I've said before, our characters are at war, we are not. And if people don't know how to deal with friendly provocations (mainly because we aren't all friends here and it's hard to know these things in the internet), we would be better without them. I can perfectly understand this kind of provocation IC, but, please, let's all try to avoid it in the News. I thought the purpose of the News forum was as a sort of controlled burn for low-grade flame wars? Honestly, I rarely read the News section, simply because of this. (Also, Kasumi-sama's music videos scare the hell out of me). I usually just check the home page on EE for news, and look at the newest posts in Items to see what drops, is mastered, etc. Talking smack about who will win/is right/is the snappiest dresser; these are all fun. I'd just rather do this in the RP sections.
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Post by The Blue Ronin on Oct 5, 2011 8:18:57 GMT -5
Kenzo, you're right, your post was pretty civil by the general standards, I guess it just put me over the edge. Thanks for removing it.
If this is what is to be expected from the news forum, then fair enough, but I don't find it fun or interesting so I guess I'll stick to other parts of the game.
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Tamori Koichi
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Oct 5, 2011 8:40:54 GMT -5
Yay! Time to crush the Lion!
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Oct 5, 2011 8:43:16 GMT -5
Don't worry guys! Me and "Love is in the air" song are watching you closely... and will be taking our move if we see that there is at least one drop of trolling/flaming <3 Peace!
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Tamori Manji
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Post by Tamori Manji on Oct 5, 2011 9:32:30 GMT -5
I think you guys are just overreacting, this is what it is, a News forum, a place to read the news, briefly discuss something about it and throw an OOC provocation or two. What we can't do is start to troll each other... otherwise we would have to rename it from "News" to "Bridge" Also, since when did the name Kenzo became so popular? We have at least three of them now And I do want to know what the Phoenix will do now that TR was taken by the Lion. Will they try to take it back, reinforce Permission City or try to meet the Crane and the Imperial retinue in, maybe, Kyuden Otomo?
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Post by kentaro on Oct 5, 2011 9:44:38 GMT -5
Okay, I changed my name.
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Tamori Koichi
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Post by Tamori Koichi on Oct 5, 2011 9:55:43 GMT -5
About the News themselves, finally the armies are on the move. Although I agree that Kaneka's army is moving faster than other armies (Crab has been in LSC for ages now and TR fell before the Phoenix arrived), I doubt it is moving undetected. Jay will probably use the same "scouting report" missions to detect it when it starts attacking the Dragon. I just hope the Dragon armies are able to see it before positioning themselves between the Lion remnants and Kaneka's full force, that would be an incredible mistake. I know you're new to the Dragon Manji-san, but we have been watching the Empire for quite some time now, as it was tasked to our clan since the beginning. Surely we've noticed the movement of the large army led by the guy with the Big Bad Enemy of the Emperor sign on his forehead. Don't worry too much. Just enjoy the war.
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Post by Tamori Manji on Oct 5, 2011 10:26:21 GMT -5
Hahahaha, alright Koichi-san. I hope Kaneka's "sexy" haircut draws enough attention and our forces can notice his head shinning in the sun.
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Post by Toku Hirotomo on Oct 5, 2011 10:34:50 GMT -5
Another lovely update. Luck to all those that are coming along, I think the chance to hurt the Lion again will draw votes away from the Crane lands. Should be tons of fun. I imagine the Monkey vote should be wrapping up soon. I myself have voted 80ish times. I think the other Monkey that have voted, voted for Toturi as well, aside from one dissenter. I'm interested in learning how the vote came out.
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Post by Jay Luo on Oct 5, 2011 10:44:52 GMT -5
Some notes on army movements:
* All armies are basically following the marching orders that you, the players, gave them at the various War Councils. Thus, both the loyalist Dragon army and Toturi's Army are moving towards the Lion provinces by the most direct path.
* There appears to be some sentiment that the rebel armies (Lion, Crab, Toturi) are moving faster than the loyal armies (Phoenix, Dragon), but I actually don't think this is the case. There are a lot of armies in the field, so they don't all move at the same time, but I am trying to make sure that no army moves twice before every other army moves once. (With the exception of armies that are currently locked in battle, which aren't moving.)
* I haven't been announcing the movements of Toturi's Army since they are just the same actions moved one province over. My feeling is that news should mainly be about new stuff that players can do; I don't want to have players trekking to the far reaches of the Empire, then realizing, Oh, it's still the same stuff. Most Toturi's Army actions are public, though, so anyone keeping tabs on the situation would notice the move, and the army's position can be considered public knowledge for RP purposes.
* Regarding the Dragon army's strategic position, it does seem awkward. I believe the Dragon commanders would be aware of the difficulties in assaulting a Lion fortress with another army nearby, so have written their first battle actions to sound rather cautious. Since several Dragon players have commented on this, let me ask them: what would you have the Dragon Army do, while still fulfilling their clan orders to attack the Lion?
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Post by Utaku Kasumi on Oct 5, 2011 10:48:20 GMT -5
Jay, is there any other way for you to respond than in the news? I mean like PMing you here or on facebook? I have some questions to you (rather private).
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Post by Akodo Keisuke on Oct 5, 2011 11:03:16 GMT -5
I was kind of worried that the Dragon were already getting to capture Lion Standards. But am I guessing correctly that you wanted to make it fair for the Hantei players to still get the opportunity to collect them and turn them in for Taisa promotion @ Permission City?
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Post by Kitsuki Zatoichi on Oct 5, 2011 11:04:35 GMT -5
I think is very reasonable that the whole Dragon Army could rush the Swift Sword Fortress (since the Lion army is attacking Toshi Ranbo) before Kaneka's Army could reach us.
In this case, the Dragon Army would be able to use the Lion's Fortress as an advantage against Kaneka's Army, using the walls and the resources against the offensive troops.
Sorry about my english guys!
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Post by Tamori Manji on Oct 5, 2011 11:24:35 GMT -5
All your points are valid Jay and I agree with everything you've said (Kaneka's army moved, if I'm not mistaken, three times in order to cross the Unicorn provinces).
About the Dragon situation, I would like to ask the same question as Kasumi, should we just post our opinions here or can we discuss it between ourselves and either post the answer here or send it to you?
I'm thinking that, if necessary, one of the Hantei supporting Dragons, like me, can open a topic and/or a poll in the Dragon forums and let it run for a week. After the time is over, we post our answer.
My personal opinion is that, if Kaneka's advance is publicly known, the Dragon army would first do exactly the actions you just posted. That is, send scouts off and check the Lion's defenses, after all, they were just fighting in Permission City and a huge part of their army is now in Toshi Ranbo. Depending on the result of these actions, which will determine the success of the Dragon intelligence gathering and skirmishing capabilities, the Dragon army may:
*Position itself with disadvantage between Kaneka and the Lion, which will put the Dragon in a very tricky situation; *Find a breach in the Lion's defenses and try to quickly storm the castle before Kaneka's army arrives, using skirmishers to delay their crossing of the river; *Try and attack Kaneka directly while his armies are crossing the river, leaving skirmishers and scouts behind the main Dragon forces, to delay Lion attacks.
There are no easy solutions in this case and the next moves would depend, as always, on the results of the vote. I imagine that, once the Emperor is secure, maybe the Emerald Champion may decide to harass Crossroads Castle in order to try and divert some of the Lion's attention from the Dragon. And the Phoenix may attack Toshi Ranbo, which would prevent retaliation from the bulk of the Lion's army. But, without the votes, this is just speculation from my part.
I hope these ideas can help you a bit and I'm sure the Lion players will be kind enough to better point which flaws in these actions can be explored by Kaneka. Sorry for the wall of text.
EDIT: One of my ideas is exactly the same as what Zatoichi just said.
And Keisuke, it may be because of the skirmishes. It probably means that there are small scale battles being fought already. Also, I'm sure there will be other opportunities for both sides to gather banners and brilliant victories in order to acquire the Taisa position.
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Post by Mirumoto Shigekazu on Oct 5, 2011 11:27:48 GMT -5
Month passed and Crab army still has not captured Lonely Shore City. Crabs are masters of sieges, Crab army was not threatened by another army and capturing trade cities is far easier than capturing castles being main training center for the most militant Clan in the Empire. Within a month Kaneka should reach Hantei Dragon Army twice. I see no way that Dragons could capture province before Toturi's arrival. And since Kaneka will be on his terrain with more experienced army and encircling enemy cut from supplies... well, I think that march was the last Hantei Dragon march in this war.
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